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BRFor gawds sake, don't tell Mr Abyu that.
Have to agree after looking at the thread (thanks for the link Hilly), and the data that it looks *very* suspicious. What a bummer, I'd be gutted. But to be honest I'm not totally suprised. A chap that I know (in terms of race results) managed to convert a 76 min-flat 1/2M in mid-Feb into a 2:35 marathon at Blackpool. I'm not saying that's impossible, but it does seem extremely unlikely.
Again, I'd be furious.
Someone on the sub-3.15 thread posted a link to the course measurement website. As I recall, it said the last time Blackpool marathon was measured officially was 2002 and the course has changed since then, as it was certainly a single lap course in 2004 (when I ran it) but is now a two lap course. Now, I accept that that website may be wrong and the new course has been measured, but it's a real pity if it hasn't. It can be measured afterwards and retrospectively corrected, apparently.
Alex,How's the training going.Is a sub-2:30 on the cards in 24 weeks?
Re: Tomas Abyu in Dublin
I don't think it was because the course wasn't ratified. It wasn't on the list of courses you could achieve an Olympic Qualification which the IAAF posts out and anybody can get access to the list. The Boston marathon also isn't on this list.
If you want to make a qualification attempt as far as I'm aware you've to tell someone I suppose in UK athletics that you're making the attempt a few days prior. Now if he had have told someone surely they'd have said "that course isn't on the list, it won't count" and he wouldn't have raced it. Instead it appears he got the time and then told them he got it and they pointed out that he was meant to tell them before hand and the course isn't on the list. All a bit stupid really - a quick google would have told him not to race it!
Last weeks AW featured an article about Tom Bedford - son of the legendary Dave, who has set himself the target of running a 2:25 marathon:
Firstly he's bet various family and friends to the tune of £8k that he can do it (including dad £2.5K)
Secondly he hasn't taken any significant exercise for three years, though back in 2005 he ran 8:54 fr the 3000m steeplechase
Thirdly he's well over his best weight at 12 stone
and fourthly he's set himself a target of three years to achieve it..
I think his chances of achieving his goal are pretty realistic (he's aged 24)- certainly more so than Alex's ever were!
I hope that all those people who were so inspired by Alex's futile efforts will be equally motivated by the younger Bedford's efforts.
I lurk here but feel compelled to post here, i think its pretty realistic as well. Besides having youth on his side he hopefully has the Bedford genes, Bedford senior was a pretty impressive runner from what i've read and seen
Dave Bedford was one of the greats - not many were able to win the junior and senior cross country titles on the same afternoon - his training was amazing, I well remember Ilford AC Newman Sargeant (RIP) attempting to emulate the 200 mile weeks as part of a Todays Runners article probably about 10-12 years ago.
Tom Bedford has never achieved the greatness of his Dad - but to be honest 2:25 should not be beyond him based on his times as a junior.
Unfortunately Tom was one of a group of youngsters, Ryan Mcloud included that have not made the cross over to the senior ranks to achieve what their parents did.
know it seems to be fashionable on here to deride Alex's attempts, but I still believe that there are a lot of people on here that wouldn't say know to his times even now.
Grendel, Alex has yet to prove his times though. It's all well and good saying "I had a test that says I'm capable of running 2.30", he still has to run that time! If I'm not mistaken his PB is around 2.58?
In relation to your point about Boston paininthefoot. Different Olympic Councils have different rules for qualification. For example I think the UK has an A standard of 2:11 where a lot of countries have the A standard of 2:15. The Kenyans may have accepted the qualifying time of their athlete based on his Chicago marathon. As they have so many runners reaching the standard they can then pick and choose the team they think is strongest. This is just a guess on my part but the list of courses set out can be found here
Ton Bedford has got a blog on realbuzz. Blimey faced with losing 10 grand I think even I'd manage sub 2:25
Agree about Ovett,Coe,Cram etc-not to mention so many others from that era-it now seems like another world.
Nevertheless,I think Tom Bedford (as long as he avoids injury) is a "shoe in" to win his bet.With his background as a junior,his genes and his age,sub 2.25 should be comfortably within his grasp.
It's a little unfair to contrast him with Alex Vero.The latter had never reached a comparable level and most importantly,was that much older.Unless you're blessed with the inherent talent of a Martin Rees or a Keith Anderson,30 plus is much too old to start thinking about reaching international level.
Reading Tom's blog does give me a "reality check" on a self-deluding fantasy I (and maybe other veteran runners who either started running-or returned to it after a long break,-in our 40's) have indulged in.Namely,that if only I could turn the clock back and be 19 again,I would dedicate myself to training and reach as far as my potential would allow me.Of course,if it were possible to be 19 again,running 60 plus weeks would be the last thing I would do-there are so many other much more enticing possibilities at that age!
Unless you could realistically aspire to reaching elite level,why would any sensible 19 year old forego clubbing,socialising etc etc to bang-out a 60 minute interval session or a 2 hour tempo run ?
At 49,being able to do those things is a wonderful escape from reality and a way of keeping age at bay (or at least hoping you are)but if I really was 19 again...
would just like to say this thread has been a very interesting read over the course of the day. as to been inspired or insulted i have to neither. to me he'is just another film maker trying to sell his product in a cut throat buisness any angle he can come up with to help with that sell has got to be commended if it work's . the fact that there has been so much debate for and against on this thread has shown to any tv companie's that there is an interest in it so hopefully it will be shown on tv. i will be looking out for it
Good points "HH".
I shouldn't have generalised:there are clearly many young runners like yourself who love training as much as I now think I would if I could be 20 again (even though I know that when I actually was 20,I couldn't be bothered !).
It's great to see it and hopefully you can soon drop the "hobbling" prefix (which I presume means you're injured at the moment).
With regard to Tom Bedford,it will be interesting to see if he can catch up with his peers again,after 2 or so years out of training.If so,that will give a lot of encouragement to other young runners who have maybe let things slide for a while.
mmmm...marmite wrote (see)
I'm looking forward to racing Alex in Amsterdam ; - )
I've just entered as well, however, it's my first week back of training since being injured and I'm an overweight underachiever so you've no worries See you in Holland matey
Marmite How's the training going? I've got my 6 weeks of base training done since injury, so starting on 14 weeks of harder stuff this week... need a race thsi weekend to get a baseline as haven't raced properly since last year in July... so god knows what I'd do now for a 10k.