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JT - how did it go?
my little monster had me up twice in the night. i have no idea why. the first time was 4am, and he was standing up, hollering, so i laid him back down in his cot and he seemed to go to sleep ... until 4.54am when he was at it again. i hadn't managed to get back to sleep and hubby was huffing and puffing, so i told him to go to a downstairs bedroom and i got jacob and brought him in with me. within 2 nanoseconds, he was asleep, sucking his thumb, goyagoyagoya, and slept till 7am. i, of course, had no sleep. i know i shouldn't have brought him in with me, but what do you do? all of us have a virus - hubby and me far worse than jacob. not sure whether that accounts for why j woke up, or whether he was just cold as the temp dropped last night. ho hum! GF would be shaking her head with disapproval, i'm sure!
MR - good to hear from you. was wondering how you were getting on. glad to hear you have had some success with GF even if the odd evening is dodgy. re: EBM / formula - do whatever is best for you. some breastfed babies reject formula, but it's usually at a later stage (months rather than weeks), but there is still probably something to be said for giving it to her earlier rather than later just to check that she will take it if that's the way you want to go.
Minks I struggled with ideas for finger food as you say the fruit option is so slippery. Fruitwise James enjoyed melon but was reluctant to touch it. It meant I fed it to him on a spoon, then by my fingers and then he would take it. Initially he would not take it from my hands. Also it can last a few days and you get melon each day too!
I started James on rice cakes early on too. I too thought that rusks were too sugary but gave in - they never did me any harm (or perhaps my addiction to junk food stems from being given rusks...). Being a meanie though, I break the rusk into quarters and only give him one section! (I have to confess to having a quarter myself at times).
There are other crisp like things in the Organix range.
I also give James Cheerios. James loves toast too. Especially at breafast I give him up to half a slice with his breakfast. This means that in an evening he can have toast and jam for tea then some fruit for dessert and is completely independent. Funnily enough he likes the crust.
Thanks for the tips on finger foods, CM and Ploddingalong. Am getting a bit antsy about it as Kit is 7.5 months and I really feel I should have given him finger foods by now. I'd planned to start on Monday but spent the entire morning making batches of chicken and fish casseroles for him, so ran out of time to think about finger food. Then decided to try carrot sticks which were not a resounding success, and banana which he just couldn't manage to grip. Finger foods will now have to wait until the weekend which will be my next opportunity to get to Sainsburys and look for rice cakes! Might try him on a little toast - it may be a bit easier for him to hold.
Mitts, also remember you from the pregnancy forum so welcome aboard and congratulations on 'graduating'! Kit got his first two teeth at 5.5 months (the two bottom ones, which both came through on the same day), and he now has the four front top teeth pretty much completely through as well. He's been an absolute star with his teeth - no teething symptoms at all apart from lots of dribbling and stuffing everything going into his mouth.
Re. dummies, Kit had one initially. We were determined we weren't going to use one but gave in fairly quickly! I did worry about how we were going to wean him off it, especially as for a while we used to just 'plug him in' if he woke in the night and cried. He would then settle back to sleep and we just figured, anything for a quiet life! However, after a while we got fed up with having to get up and put in back in his mouth every time if fell out and he woke up, so that's when we tried some mild controlled crying as we figured that the reason he was unable to settle himself back to sleep on his own was because we'd never actually given him the opportunity to do so. We would always leap in at the first murmur. It only took a day for him to learn to settle himself, with just voice reassurance and maybe a gentle pat from me or hubby. We did have the odd blip afterwards when he woke in the night and once or twice we had to resort to the dummy again, but he actually seemed to go off it and just took it straight out of his mouth every time we gave it to him. He now sucks his thumb if he needs a comforter.
I started my new running schedule this week and actually managed to fit in a 5-mile run last night. Was really pleased with myself. Even more pleased that I took it at a nice steady pace (rather than trying to cane it as I usually do) and I really enjoyed it. Onwards and upwards!
Ploddingalong - cheerios were great for keeping jacob focussed at breakfast for a while. when he was smaller, jacob wouldn't take anything from the spoon unless he also had something he could put in his mouth himself, so we would put cheerios on his highchair tray, and feed him weetabix with a spoon. now we put raisin wheats, mini weetabix, cheerios and shreddies in a bowl with some milk and he feeds himself with his hands. messy but effective! last night i gave him a welsh cake crumbled up with some custard in it and he fed himself with a spoon - so it was in his ears, eyes and hair. but he loved it!
toast - particularly raisin toast (wharburtons with raisin and cinammon) - goes down REALLY well. and he also loves muffins - both the blueberry sort and toasted english ones.
i always try to make his meal at teatime one that he can do exclusively himself. it's easier for me as i don't have to fuss around trying to feed him, and he loves feeding himself chunks of cheese / sausage / salmon with bread and fruit.
the only thing i absolutely cannot get him to eat is pasta. lots of people say it's a great first finger food but jacob puts it in his mouth, chews a couple of times and spits it out. i guess it doesn't taste that great on its own, but even if i put a sauce on it, he still does the same. i have to chop it up really small so that it's too small even to bother chewing and then he eats it. i keep persevering, and hope he'll end up liking it (like he did with cheese) because it's convenient and something that you can usually get out and about quite easily.
It's funny their likes and dislikes, even at such a young age! I gave Kit cod in cheese sauce with broccoli the other day, and I wondered what he'd make of it since he hadn't had anything remotely similar before. He absolutely LOVED it! When he likes something he makes 'Mmmmm' noises with every mouthful, which is really funny, and he'll open his mouth for the next spoonful almost before he's finished the one before - in fact he sometimes still has the previous mouthful on his tongue and I have to give him some water to get him to swallow before the next spoonful. I had a real addiction to cheese (especially cheese and tomato) towards the end of my pregnancy so wondered whether he would also enjoy cheese. I'm planning to get some baby pasta and give that to him with cheese sauce and some sort of veg so hopefully he'll take to it as we live on pasta so would be very annoying if he doesn't like it!
At what age can I use tinned tomatoes in recipes? Am fed up with having to skin, deseed and chop fresh ones!
minks - i think i used tinned toms from the start with jacob. i found some without salt, if memory serves correctly. i certainly found some passata or something similar with no salt and used that in recipes. i think i only did the skin / deseed / chop thing once!
i've tried baby pasta and jacob doesn't eat that either! there were some tiny gluten free stars (annabelle karmel, i think) that i had once which were so tiny that he didn't even notice them, so i don't count those. the other type you can buy in boots / supermarket he won't swallow!
it is funny what they like - jacob LOVES liver. go figure that one! i think it's because it's soft and sort of melts in the mouth.
Aaah, CM - think it's probably the possible salt content of tinned tomatoes which explains why they don't seem to be used in any of my baby recipe books! That said, I looked at the label on a tin of chopped organic tomatoes from Sainsbury's and the ingredients were listed as organic tomatoes, organic tomato juice - nothing more. Will check again to see whether there is any added salt or sugar: if not I'll use them!
Funny Jacob liking liver of all things! Not something hubby or I ever eat so won't be bothering to give him that. Similarly was not that bothered that he didn't like the red lentil casserole I made him as we never eat things like that either. I'll probably make him a version of our spaghetti bolognese soon (without the stock cube or wine!) as will be handy when he can eat the same things as us rather than having to make separate meals for him. I don't mind doing it at all as it's so nice to see him enjoying his food, but I seem to spend an awful lot of my time cooking!
MR - I know people who do 20 mins on one boob, 20 mins on the other; or 30 on one, 10 on the other. but generally, the advice today seems to be to let the baby feed for as long as they want to on the one boob; then wind / change them and offer them the other boob. if they are still hungry they will take it. most often they won't.
jacob just used to fall asleep after 10 mins on the boob and i used to have a right old battle to wake him up. but if i put him down, he'd wake up within 10 mins because he was still hungry.
i do feel for you MR - it's not at all easy. in fact it's the hardest bl00dy thing i ever did in my whole life. hang on in there for as long as feels right for you. and please don't do what i did. i beat myself up so badly over the problems i was having feeding jacob that i ended up with PND...
GF is fantastic for helping you to establish a routine. but if you are struggling with some of her concepts, perhaps amend them to fit what you are advised by your midwife or others, or would you would naturally do?
out of interest, how did they diagnose the reflux? did they do some tests?
JT - it does sound like he still needs that feed at the moment. it's frustrating because you thought you'd got past that, but he is still only little yet. i always reckoned it would be so much easier if they had a full / empty gauge on their tummies so you could at least work out if that was why they were crying!
at least i know if jacob wakes in the night now, it's not because he's hungry. so i do the bottom 'sniff' test, stick my fingers down inside his top to see if he's cold, and then break out the calprofen!
and yes, there is definitely something fairly horrible going round here at the moment!
very brave on bumps and babes, i have to say. i did the newport NCT classes, but never did bumps and babes.
have you been to eeeezzeeeeeplay (yes, i know i've spelt it wrong but how am i supposed to remember how to spell it with all those stupid e's in it?!) yet? quite close to you i think. ted is probably a bit little, but they do have a little section just for babies and it's free for under 1s. jacob LOVES it - needless to say. anything that involves running around like a lunatic and diving at bigger kids!
My computer burst into flames (!!!) the other day and its taken me awhile to get back online... you lot have been very chatty!
Janie, mine dont sleep through yet, most nights will mange til 4 - 5 30 but some nights Milla will still want a 2 ish feed - she is the smaller of the 2 and doesnt take as much as Ella in the day so I presume her tummy is smaller! I suspect Ella might sleep through but am reluctant to try so always wake her when M wakes at 4 or 5! They do go 8 - 8 30 - 9 though so cant complain.
As for routines, I read the baby whisperer and GF but let the babies (and us) find our own routine - there is no way they would go 4 hours between feeds but have settled into roughly 3 hrly feeds and sleep around every 2 hours (I sometimes need to do a bit of bouncy chair jiggling or a walk to make sure this happens). I am not organised enough for set sleep times in the day but do ensure they always have fairly standard getting up, morning nap and bedtime. Like you Ef I am lucky if I get 45 mins at a time, they just dont seem to need to sleep much in the day. I think i noticed that things were happening at roughly the same times each day at about 10 weeks, then tweaked it a bit at 12 weeks by changing from 10 - 10 sleep to 8 - 8, this took about 3 days for them to adjust.
We ditched the dummies when they started sucking thier thumbs but it still has drawbacks, getting it in your mouth is just not that easy when you are 3 months old as it easy to miss and get your eye instead and just when you get a good suck going it pops out! Glad to hear they are not the only noisy suckers too! They can wake me up with the racket they make and I am in a different room!
MR, how awful for you. It' so horrible when they're yelling in pain and you don't know what to do for them. I hope the diagnosis is correct and the Gaviscon brings some relief. Two of the mums in my antenatal group had to use Gaviscon - but both their babies were very sicky; not as you describe Megan. They were both bottle-fed which made administering the Gaviscon a bit easier - simply mix it into their formula and serve!
JT, how old is Ted now? I remember Kit going through the night (from 11pm-7am) for the first time at about 10 weeks, and the next night we didn't give him a night feed but just tried to settle him back to sleep with his dummy. He didn't settle very well and I was concerned he might be hungry. When I spoke to the HV she said that he was still too little to go without a night feed, which confirmed what my instinct told me. I think a couple of weeks later he started going to 5:30/6:00am naturally and then we stopped giving the feed as it was so close to his 7am one, and he would go through to then without getting grizzly.
I found that once past the very sleepy stage, Kit would never nap for longer than about 45 minutes at a time during the day. Was slightly frustrating as 45 minutes doesn't give you much time to get things done. As he got older he seemed to sleep for longer, and now has 1-1.5 hours from about 9am, then about an hour at lunchtime. He seems to have cut out his late afternoon nap, which on the one hand is good as if we're out and about I don't have to worry about getting home (the stage where he'd fall asleep in his buggy seems to be long gone!) but on the other can mean he's very tired by bathtime and occasionally gets a bit grizzly before his tea.
All this talk about dummies has made me realise that I haven't taken one out of the box we keep them in for weeks now. I never used to leave the house without one in case Kit got grizzly (not that he ever did but was always worried I'd be on the bus or something and he'd start yelling, and I'd have to cope with all those "bad mother" looks that other people who don't have kids tend to direct towards mothers with babies).
Good luck with the dummy withdrawal Janie... my friend has just had to do it with a 3 1/2 year old and it wasnt pretty so prorbably better now! A couple of weeks will make all the difference with the thumb contol, mine can get it pretty much first time now and they have suddenly got so much better at settling themselves off to sleep because of it.
So jealous you went to see Prince Mitts.... good?? Cant help with the pethidine sorry.
MR - you poor thing sounds like you are having a rough time of it, could be a touch of colic unsettling her in the evenings. I know osteopathy has really helped some babies I know, may be worth considering if things dont settle. Not sure about the keeping awake in the day.... I let mine sleep but did wake them for feeds 3 hrly as they were little (advised by the hossie). Had to use some cruel methods including stripping them off to a nappy and blowing on them! As for occupying them, not alot you can do at that age but my 2 would always enjoy looking at us face to face and we would mimic thier expression etc, they can poke thier tongue out in response to you doing it very young so tried to get them to do that or yawn alot!
MR - hope things improve for you soon. It's such a nightmare when you can't seem to do anything right for them AND you're not getting enough sleep! JP was a bit upside down for a while in terms of being awake at night and asleep in the day. At one point he thought that 6am was a suitable bedtime! So I tried to bring his feeds forward and also limited his daytime naps to no more than 2-3 hours. He managed to shift his bedtime back then by about an hour and a half a night, and now he goes to sleep anywhere between 10 and midnight. I did feel a bit mean waking him up, but it saved me from going nuts!
Have had an OK few days since I last posted. JP is a bit colicky, but we're managing to keep on top of it with copious amounts of Infacol and making sure he doesn't feed too often. I'm doing mixed feeding, which is going well. I felt bad initially about using formula, but he has been so much better (and so have I!) that it's worth it. It works out that he has 1-2 bottles of formula a day, and Im either expressing or breastfeeding every 4 hours or so. This seems to keep the old milk supply up!
Must go, hungry child to feed! Oh, and forgot to mention that he was weighed on Thursday and had gained 15oz in a week!!!!!! This was after the 3 week growth spurt though. So he's 11/5 now. What a whopper!
Mitts - hope you're feeling better today - I think it's normal to still feel up and down for quite a while (I definitely have good days and bad days). Don't talk to me about weight! Despite running (now back to 10-12 miles a week) I have 1.5 stone (!) which is refusing to shift. Admittedly, i could ease up on the cakes a bit, but I tried to cut down my food intake a bit a few weeks ago and had a couple of days of feeling really lightheaded. I'm just hoping my body is holding onto the excess because I'm breastfeeding and it will all magically disappear when I stop ....
TB and MR - great to see you both on here - hope things are settling down for you now - in my experience the first few weeks are a real rollercoaster - I thinkit's easier to accept after the first baby, but obviously 1st time round you've nothing to measure it against so it's really hard work. MR - Re: running after a section - (I'm copying this from a post I did a while ago so you don't have to read back!) : I had my 3rd c-section with Eddie 9 weeks ago - I started run-walking after 4 weeks, then gentle running at 6 weeks - now up to 10-12 miles a week over 3 runs. Not fast but enjoyable! I tried to stick to the same rules as when I was pregnant - eg listen to your body, don't get dehydrated (v. important if breastfeeding), don't run if really tired etc. I'm really enjoying my runs now, especially getting out in the country.
Well, Eddie seems to have gone backwards a bit this week in terms of being settled - he did a fantastic week of sleeping for 8-10 hours each night, then a couple of days ago went back to waking up after 6 hours and last night went down at 9pm, woke up at 12.30 and then 2 - aagh! Then DS1 came in at 3am because his duvet had fallen off - luckily mrbob went and sorted him out and even more luckily it's half term this week so we didn't have to rush around getting ready for school this morning (as a result I'm sitting here in my pyjamas!). I've just put Eddie back to bed and am trying to get him to settle himself in the hope it might make nights a bit better - after some initial grizzling he seems to have found his thumb (he's been trying for a while but it's very hit and miss) so hopefully that will help. It's all quiet at the moment ...
Sorry I'm not getting much of a chance to check back and reply to everyone - hope everyone's getting on OK. It looks like there's been a lot of really helpful advice too - I'm trying to read the thread even if I don't get round to posting!