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If I were in the BOA I wouldn't be so jubilant tbh.
I quote from the BBC website:
But Mr Justice Mackay refused to grant an injunction to temporarily suspend the lifetime ban before a full hearing - which is now not expected to go ahead - in March next year.
In his summing up, Mr Mackay said Chambers' right to work was not a good enough reason to overturn the ban, while the last-minute timing had also worked against him.
"Many people both inside and outside sport would see this by-law as unlawful," said Mr Mackay.
"(But) In my judgment it would take a much better case than the claimant has presented to persuade me to overturn the status quo at this stage and compel his selection for the Games."
So Mr Justice is far from stating that the BOA bylaw is legally sound and that it stands up to a challenge.
But I do think it's a fairly common sense decision not to force the BOA to take Chambers before a full hearing decides one way or another on the bylaw. And I guess Chambers would be stupid to throw good money after bad to go for a full hearing now.
Common sense wins over "the wet blankets"
The judge knows exactly what he's doing. The BOA/UK Atletics have 4 years now to get their law set in concrete!
Mindcraft...you stick to your 12min/miles.
4 years of hiding behind their shambolic drugs policy of allowing those who avoid tests and those who have a "good reason" for failing a test to compete. Whilst athletes who once cheated and are now clean can't compete.
Bollocks it is, all bollocks.
I wonder which chemist will win more golds this year.
It's shabby, but today's a good day.
I agree with Pizza Man "it's all bollocks". I've no problem with Athletes having to abide by the rules if it's the same for everyone but it's not. For political reasons the quango that is the BOA, with their holier than though attitude, is puting our athletes at a disadvantage because other countries do not ban for life. This means that our "clean" (whatever that is) athletes are up against people like Chambers or as Pizza Man say's.. thoes who have not been band because they "missed the testing".
Oh and feel the pain you have no idea why I'm only running 12min miles at the moment so mind your own business.
This is a fantastic day for clean athletes in all sports.
don't forget for all those people that have come second to a drugs cheat that has not been found out are in second place for life. It is still no consolotion to be given first place several years later.
take drugs then get banned for life and an earlier comment comparing a footballer diving in the box to a drugs cheat is quite frankly laughable.
do you all want to run against people that are taking drugs and whatever you do and however hard you train you find you cant beat them? I don't think you do so lets fight and get them banned for life.
I was a pro cyclist in 1984 and I shudder to think how many drugs cheats I may have competed against and robbed me of potential earnings.
sites like this and magazines such as Runners World should be vigorous in their support for coming down hard on drugs cheats, and keep shouting for complete life bans instead of letting them back after two measley years
Well said Lord Coe
No apology neccesary, It's a debate after all
"Take drugs then get banned for life and an earlier comment comparing a footballer diving in the box to a drugs cheat is quite frankly laughable."
Del Monte, I see it in the same light and find it laughable that you don't. We all have our opinions.
I accept your apologies Mindcraft
, after all you're wrong and I'm right!
Man from Del Monte..I agree with every word you say, even the commas and full stops!
Graham..I just called him a "wet blanket". Quite factual I thought. He's the one whose thrown the dummy out.....I am here to amuse after all!
Pizza Man...You've been wrong from the start, don't know whether you're playing devils advocate, or you actual believe some of that drivel you've been spouting!
Anyway thank god for the British legal system!...an I'm not even religious.
A bit of both ftp, a bit of both.
I think when your argument consists of calling stuff drivel or frankly laughable then maybe you need to start looking at whether you have any argument at all. Cheating is cheating - why is one sort of cheating so terrible that it can't be compared to another ?
Popsider...In my opinion, for what its worth!, cheating is wrong, and it should be punished accordingly.
Before any sporting rules can be adhered to, all participants must at least "start" on a level playing field. Taking performance enhancing drugs is pre-meditated. It prevents athletes from competing on a level playing field. It goes against everything that is great about sport.
I'm not saying different degrees of cheating cannot be compared, but even I wouldn't ban a footballer 2 years for diving, and I'm pretty extreme! He'd definitely get a straight red tho.
Even after countless replays it is not always obvious whether a footballer dived or 'made the most of it' or could have stayed on his feet. There is a grey area in most sports, and in most instances the referees, humpires etc. have to make a decision.
Taking banned substances is black and white. Then again I'd rather do that than being Jeffery Archer!
Where is the level playing field for Dwain et al? Tim Don and others seem to wriggle thier way out of it.
Let's have good enforcable rules across the board at international level through out the world and in all sports not just athletics and not just the UK. As it stands an athlete is better off refusing point blank to be tested, getting a 6 month ban and coming back.
Chambers took the test, knowing he would fail it and has come back. He has seen others who have avoided tests being welcomed back with open arms. Who can blame for trying to overturn the ban?
The BOC must sort it out. It is a shambles as it stands. Rather than the rest of the world looking at the UK and seeing a strong stand against drugs cheats, they are laughing at the ridiculousness of of the drugs system here.
Spot on Pizza Man - The other countries at the oplympics are not looking at us and thinking "oh good show from the brits coming down hard on thoes naughty cheats". They're just happy that we ban our athletes and they don't.
The BOA isn't interested in ethics or even sport for that matter, it's a political organsation and always has been. The Olympics is a political event - Hitler new that way back in the 30's when he used it to show off his arian athletes (until a black runner whooped them all
).
That's why this years Olympics is in China despite everthing. If people are REALLY interested in the welfare of our athletes then try thinking about the long-term damage that running in one of the worlds most poluted cities will do to our distance runners.
PM..Chambers didn't take the test thinking he would fail, nobodies that stupid are they?
To think you can simply refuse a test and get a less ban is ridiculous. Quite a few UK athletes have missed 2 tests, which I was surprised to hear! I'm not happy that Ohuruogu missed 3 tests, but she was tested within days of the 3rd missed test, and was clean, so there should be no confusion about whether she is clean or not.
To suggest the UK should be like "the rest of them" is the attitude of a sheep. I agree tho that there should be one rule throughout the world and if one good thing comes out of this debacle then hopefully the rest of the world will be forced to get there act together.
The BOA is political!...does that mean they will be running for parliament in the next general election?
He took the test and failed didn't he. If he didin't know he was taking the drugs that would open another can of worms. So I believe that he took the test knowing he was using drugs.
Your second paragraph, yes as I keep saying, it is ridiculous isn't it.
Should the UK be like the rest of them or should the rest of them be like the UK? Someone has got to follow suit if that makes them sheep in your eyes, so be it. I call it common interantional laws.
The IOC should be laying down the rules and passing them on to the national comitees. It's their games and they should be guiding the national bodies on whether they want ex-drug cheats or not.
As I've said, the hypocrosy and subjectivness of the current BOC rules make them look the fools they are.
It seems the IOC were willing to have Chambers copete but not Thanou ! and she has failed a test
The whole thing is full of double standards
Thanou to sue IOCRules need to be in place across the board at international level and abided by by all competiting nations. Not one rule for one and another rule for someone else.
The Melbourne Age (Newspaper)
Jacquelin Magnay | August 5, 2008
Olympic athletes are already canvassing the latest ways to
cheat: tattooing their drugs of choice under the skin, procuring
the fourth generation of erythropoietin (EPO) or popping Viagra
mixed with gulps of laughing gas.
If mice in the laboratory have tried it, it is more than likely
that desperate athletes, keen for an edge on their competitors,
will be trying it, too. That is the advice from one of the world's
leading sports drug scientists, Dr Robin Parisotto. "With some of
these things the technology is so new, the concept so bizarre, that
there would only be a handful of well tapped-in athletes using
them, but they will be experimenting at the Beijing Olympics
because they are the ultimate," he said.
Viagra, a legal drug, opens up the blood vessels, allowing the
transfer of oxygen to be increased. Athletes use it to help their
performance - not in the bedroom but on the sports field. So too
does inhaling the dentists' favourite, laughing gas. If the two are
combined, some athletes think the effect is a double hit.
Researchers at the German Cancer Research Centre in Heidelberg
showed this year that delivering DNA vaccines by tattooing was 16
times more effective than injecting intramuscularly or
intravenously.
Apparently the vibrating tattoo needle primes the body's immune
system and enhances the body's response to it. "The problem is that
some of the drugs would now fly under the radar with the tattoo
technique because athletes would be taking a much smaller dose - it
depends on the drug and how sensitive the analysers are," Dr
Parisotto said.
Still being researched, but already being experimented on by
athletes, are emotoceuticals - drugs such as Neurodex which affect
emotions. "These mind-clearing drugs have the ability to alter the
emotions, for instance sadness and shyness, and so athletes would
be very attracted to [them]."
World Anti-Doping Agency drug testers have already improved
their ability to detect the third generation of EPO after drug
manufacturers informed them of the chemical structure of an EPO
variant, Cera. Tour de France cyclist Ricardo Ricco was the most
high profile scalp, and his positive tests will have scared off
others.
But Dr Parisotto believes the extensive publicity surrounding
Cera will push the athletes to the next EPO variant, Hematide, or
other artificial blood and plasma expanders and oxygen carrier
products. Hematide is undergoing trials on human kidney patients in
the United States.
"Cera is out of the bag, so the next EPO version off the
production line is Hematide and with this drug patients take it
every four to five weeks, not every second day."
Then there is the "exercise pill" - a drug containing DNA
isolated for endurance and fat metabolism. Drug testers have been
predicting gene manipulation for nearly a decade.
In studies mice fed the exercise pill showed improvements in
running time of 44 per cent and more than 70 per cent.
Professor Ronald Evans, of the Salk Institute in California,
said: "We were blown away. This is a drug that is like
pharmacological exercise. After four weeks of receiving the drug,
the mice were behaving as if they'd been exercised."
Other substances not yet on the banned list but popular among
athletes are breast milk and cobalt.
Nice one Dwain
proving you can be a world beater without drugs and with the worl against you
Chambers in my opinion has served his time and needs to be left to get on with it. Van Commenee has said he is tested nearly every day.
He is in the form of his life now and is much more consistent now he's off the drugs
Lets all forgive and forget then, sorry these people have single handidly wrecked the whole sport, how people can just say live and let live is beyond me. The man is a lier and a cheat, why the hell are people so easy to forgive? Sorry, he made his choice and has to live by it, it's this forgivness that will prevent athletics now becoming the force it once was. If this was Ben Johnson making a comeback (to take a stupid example) and Dwain was clean, but got beat by John in a major final the UK would be up in arms about letting a steroid monster back in the game, yet people are willing to forgive Chambers. Sorry the man's scum, and so are ALL other cheating athletes, they're pathetic and the sooner we plough enough money to get this sport 99.9% clean the better... until then the public are just not interested.
Cheers Pug
If a person commits a crime and get convicted, (sometimes) you go to the slammer. When that person has done their time they are let out even some murderers and rapists are released (even if it is on licence). If a person gets caught drink driving they get a ban then the person can get their licence back and drive again.
So I think he has done his punishment he should be allowed to run because if Dwain breaks a world record it will stand so he should be allowed to run for his country again.