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What a fuss over nothing.
Agree with a lot of the comments.
My wife thought they had arranged it to be three in the final actually.
However the BBC clearly afraid of people's votes being wasted (it made me laugh that some people said it was obvious that he couldn't get through, why didn't the BBC spot it .... and they were people who were upset because they HAD voted for him. Of course it was obvious so why vote !
They really had two choices. Either award Rachel and Lisa 2 points each and 3-2-1 for the public OR do what they did.
I think it makes a better final actually. It was unfair this week because Vincent is an Argentine Tango specialist and Brendan and Camilla had NEVER danced it. Yes Rachel did really well but still had the advantage.
Also none of them chose their best dances for the other one. Tom in particular took a risk with that Jive which didn't come off.
Not sure what the plan is for the final but surely it shoulod be their best ballroom, their best Latin and the show-dance.
As for Saturday's show dance I agree with everybody else. That WASN'T dancing, it was an acrobatic display from the circus. Great in its place but not in a dance show. Not a step in sight
Missed the show on Saturday so just watched it now, although I did see the headlines on Sunday morning. Didn't think Tom's jive was that good so don't go along with the theory of it being a fix. Sort of pleased to have 3 in the final but what a mess-up!!! Nobody seemed to notice when Tess first said the results would be rolled over to next week.
The Chicago dance was fab.
The show dance was awful 
I watched the show just now Jinglebells, knowing the outcome and thought there was a lot of "fill-in" to substitute for the dance-off; an extended chat with Austin and June Whitfield for example. Funny how Claudia mentioned all 3 being on her show tonight though so wondered if that was hastily amended. If it was always planned I think the public would have been told to begin with that votes would be rolled over but then again I rarely subscribe to conspiracies so who knows?
I'm just glad all 3 are in the final - will me much more entertaining...
Now...sad that I am.....I must arrange to get to the airport hotel in time to watch it - will not be impressed if stuck in the middle of London whilst it's on!!
that's fab-you-luss Fraggle
In defence of Vincent, everyone goes on and on about he's an AT specialist but surely the other pros are specialists in other dances? I think over the course of a whole series it all balances out. And 2 mores points - he has to get to the semi-final to be able to do the AT and his partner has to be capable of doing the steps. He can't just chuck her around and do all the work himself.
I'm going to give the beeb the benefit of the doubt re. Saturday. But they really should have foreseen that when you get down to only a few competitors this could always happen. In fact if you had 4 dancers and the top 3 tied you'd have exactly the same situation. They need to have some sort of contingency plan, maybe say that the person in last place can't be saved so you can only vote for the people above? Actually this could be a really sneaky way of getting rid of a dancer they don't like if they get near the end of the competition...
PS: There's an hour long ITT on Friday so if you're taping it make sure you don't miss the last half-hour!
Nemo - I take your point on Vincent BUT the fact is that it doesn't rally balance over a series because early on a y advantage you have is really over-ridden by overall talent. i.e. if they did AT i nthe FIRST week then the Taylforths, Wallace's, Phil etc would still have gone because they just weren't as good.
At the semi stage where everybody is of a similar standard, any slight advantaghe is magnified.
Also it wasn't just that he was a specialist but that, and I did find this surprising, neither Brendan nor Camilla had EVER danced it before.
One thing that somebody mentioned and that I hadn't really thought of befvore was that even if there hadn't been a tie and say Lisa was top with 3, Rachel second with 2 and Tom last with 1 then Tom still couldn't have been voted through !!
The best that could have happened from Tom's perspective was If the Public had done the exact opposite i.e. Tom, Rachel, Lisa then they would ALL have had four points. I
Then what ? Put them all in the dance off OR let them ALL through (back where we started the conversation. I think the underlying problem here is that there were only three people in the Semi.
In gthe final it works because you vote for the person you want to win and you cut if half way through and lose the person in last place and then re-open and count to win. Of course just one set of cotes counting as the judges don't !
So in reality the moment they got to three in the semi the only real way of doing it was to say that it would be a straight public vote (similar to the final) with the couple in last place going home OR the last two couples in the dance off with the judges then making that decision.
"The best that could have happened from Tom's perspective was If the Public had done the exact opposite i.e. Tom, Rachel, Lisa then they would ALL have had four points. I
Then what ? Put them all in the dance off OR let them ALL through (back where we started the conversation. I think the underlying problem here is that there were only three people in the Semi."
I believe the person with the lowest public vote is deemed to be lowest in the final order - therefore that would have meant Lisa and Rachel would have been in the dance off. Although that does go against the Beebs reason for the whole thing - i.e that Tom could not have avoided the dance off.
the Beeb's head entertainment honcho was on ITT last night giving the explanation and I think he did a good job. He admitted that although they have contingencies for what they thought was all eventualities, they didn't have one for this.
My initial reaction was it will make for a better final, so I'm happy with it.
As for the Vincent thing. there's no advantage to him being an AT specialist if his partner can't match up to him - in fact probably the opposite. Rachel for all the negative stuff on here about her was really really good at a very high technical level.
On a personal level though, those legs of Lisa's have done it for me and I think I'm in love
Errr, not really as the BBC had published teh rules, so if people chose to pick up their phone, and throw money away on voting for a TV entertainment show without realising they were throwing money away, that's their own fault. It's a bit like saying that garages should not sell cars to people without driving licenses, or supermarkets shouldn't sell dog food to people without pets. It's down to the individuals to work out if their vote counts.
I haven't got a favourite this year
but Camilla is quite irritating so I wouldn't mind seeing her go.
It's not about the pro dancers getting to the final, it's about the celeb.
Stop going on about it Camilla !
I suppose I marginally favour Lisa as the pairing of Lisa and Brendan is the one I most like. I prefer Tom overall but Camilla does irritate me a bit and I'm less keen on either Rachel or Vincent as people...
........and as I know nothing about dance I just have to go on the impression they make on me!
Not sure, most of the fines were for competition lines where you got to dial a number costing £5 per second and answer a really hard question that no-one else could work out ("Where would you find your nose, is it a) Jerry Springer, b) your face, c) 17"), but they'd already decided to give the prize microwave to the producers wife.
True, perhaps they should have just said vote between Legs and Face to see who dances with Tom, but FFS it really shouldn't be the top news story! Then again it stops them exagerating some new financial doom and gloom so perhaps we should fear then end of Strictly and the return of Robert Preston, the only person in the world who classes me as a cheery optimist.
Can I just add that I did wat ITT last night and saw the Controllers explanation - now I am no dunce, but I have to day he did lose me a couple of times.
The one thing I really didnt understand was the complicated(in my eyes) explanation of how the final show would be structured now. Why now?(rhetorical)
Plus the Controller did say that this would never be allowed to happen again - how? Make sure the judges didnt provide a tie situation - coz after all this is why it all happened.
Well no, I assume they'd not open the vote at all if there was a situation where the bottom couldn't be saved.
For the final, then the carryover votes are added to any new ones after the first dance. Then the top 2 do another dance with all the votes reset to zero and those later ones decide the winner.