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Hi PO - I wouldnt vote for them....BUT, I was having my tea a couple of weeks back and a party political broadcast of theirs came on the beeb....and I thought oooh this might be interesting. So I watched it.
To be totally honest I thought it was actually reasonably balanced and rational what was being said. They have no problem with legitimate immigration, integration of those who have already legitimately settled here - amongst other things. The way it was said though....and the imagery in the background was a little overly-nationalistic.
HOWEVER, I suspect that the political rhetoric conflicts rather strongly with their true ideology, and filmings and reports that you see in the media might support this rather well.
I do hope that people dont think me as some kind of neo-nazi now....as I think the Daily Mash summed it up rather well after the European Elections. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/this-is-how-the-nazis-started%2c-says-everyone-200906081810/
...edit - essentially what I am saying is that I didnt think their broadcast was anywhere near as racist and bigotted as I expected it to be. I am trying to choose my words carefully here, as I appreciate this is a very sensitive issue.
It's tragic (and scary!) that people have lost so much faith in the other parties that people like the BNP even get a look in, suspect that a lot of people who voted BNP don't really know what they are voting for but just don't see an alternative.
Like Nick, I've seen the leaflets and political broadcasts, and seen interviews with Griffin on the news, and he seems to make some very good, well thought out points, which make logical sense.
Luckily though, I still have the little voice in my head that says "Don't be so f**king stupid".
I'd probably say a hefty percentage of the people who voted for the BNP aren't racists or bigots, they simply don't know that the media face and propoganda are fronts to what is a truly reprehensible bunch of bastards.
PO - its difficult to express yourself solely in word form sometimes though, no intonation of voice etc etc. Yes 'Britain for the British' was their broad approach I guess......and I believe they pitched their broadcast accordingly so that many people I believe, thought as Stuart suggested.
They did also play on the expenses furore too, so suspect that gaining protest votes was an aim.
Onyl reason I saw it was that I was about to eat at the time....I also happened to see a broadcast by English National/Independence Party, and the anti-Europe one with the funny name.
edit - LIbertas
Also this is worth looking at
Nearly 1 million voted BNP
Nick, I would expect them to tone down any over racism for the TV.
I didn't see it, but like all parties, they're going to want to make themselves look warm and cuddly.
PO - the elections were for members of the European Parliament. This doesn't get a big voter turnout at the best of times, and even less so after all the expenses scandals of late.
This meant that people were'nt voting for OTHER parties, and the BNP gained a larger proportion of votes than they normally would. I don't know how many British MEPs there are, but I doubt if two (the number of BNP seats won) will have a significant impact. However, it is the thin end of the wedge.
THey got over 943,000 votes - that;s a significant number of people voting for them. The other parties need to sort themselves out.
Point of order - The BNP have not increased their vote; it's roughly the same as it has been for many years - the reason why they won those seats is that other parties vote diminished and many more people stayed at home as a protest.
The BNP have increased their membership and 'extra curricular' activities - beating up Asian kids; stirring up race hate etc. BTW this is not BNP activity in the sense that the party officially organises it - but believe me; it's the same people
Their membership has some very disturbing links with pan European far right paramilitary groups.
Wot Wilkie said
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/index.php?page=home that will give you some info about the real BNP party.
a quote from Nick Griffin on Adolf Hitlers Mein Kampf-
"The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation – there were some really useful ideas there"
theres also links between him and Arthur Kemp, one of the guys who was active in South Africas apartheid regime....
anyway the link goes into Nick Griffins history... makes scarey reading.
PloddingOn wrote (see)
drag all the ex-pats back to Britain and kick all the foreigners out...
'Britain for the British' is a narrow-minded parochial view that pretends to be fair and reasonable while being only a step away from protectionism, bigotry and racial hatred.
The BNP are a very nasty bunch indeed. Sure, they've got a right to speak, but don't be fooled into thinking there's anything 'OK' about them.
IMO the BNP are run by a bunch of clever guys who know how to maximise the current political turmoil to their advantage. On the outside, they're fighting for "Britain" but on the inside just bunch of racists. Unfortunately, the longer that we have to tolerate the likes of new labour and the nanny state then the more that people will turn to the BNP. Wrong I know but some people will do it. (Not me BTW)
As for the egg throwing incident, that really wound me up. Now, I have no time for the BNP but they do have a democratic right to make statements in public, it's called freedom of speech. Unfortunately, the people that thew the eggs fail to see that they are playing into the hands of the BNP...If a member of the BNP threw eggs at a rally being led by a Muslim preacher then there would be hell to pay. Lots of arrests and chants of racist. When the boot is on the other foot though....doesn't seem to matter.
Chocolate Moose I agree that no matter how nasty a political party's view is, they should have the right to speak. Lets not forget people feel equally strongly about abortion, experimentation on animals, euthanasia but we allow the main parties to debate it as we have a free and democratic society.
Just 1 thought springs to mind
The current law allows for female only short lists, membership of organisations based on colour, and allows the church to discriminate against women and homosexuals in the work place. So, arn't we already in the place we fear getting to should people vote to the right?
Ironically there was a lot of war imagery in the BNP broadcast 'people fought for this country...etc died for this country...they would be turning in their graves'....'all of the names on the war memorials in the country'.
PO I wish you had taen your damn cricket team with you
Nick L wrote (see)
Britain for the British?
That's most of us leaving then.
I see the BNP leader Nick Griffin wasn't too happy after pelted with eggs just the other day.
He said "The bastards could have seperated the whites first........"
Someone else pointed out on Corrie's thread - the WWII wasn't over facism.
No-one was taking on Hitler until he started invading other countries.
Any chance that Griffin set up the egg-throwing incident to get that press conference aired on every station in the land?
Is Australia racist? I'm not an expert in these matters but they manage their borders a bit more closely. Or seem to.