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oink, oink..... LOL, no just trying to be helpful
No arguments in built up areas, obey the law. But I think that motorways need looking at.
o, and if i get a bigger bike (Duke 999S), whos gonna catch me?!!!
My point is, the climber enjoys climbing even though he knows the risks
The motorcyclist enjoys riding with the throttle open now again even though he knows the risks
Its unfortunate that people die taking risks. I don't think its fair to put a price on their lives, and complain because the total cleanup costs overall makes up a few hundred pounds a year of your tax bill.
As long as you are not endangering the lives of other non-consenting individuals, then I don't see why we shouldn't actively embrace risk in our everyday lives. It makes us who we are, it defines us.
Sorry, but thats just the way I feel
(btw, didn't mean to offend with the comment about pigs, its just local slang for the cops)
They go into a risky situation and try to minimise the risk.
Opening a throttle beyond what is usually the riders ability is not similar to climbing a mountain. It is seeking to increase the risk and make other people pay if there is a negative outcome.
now whats the difference? I've prepared beforehand (by attending the courses), I've checked my equipment, in otherwards, I've attempted to minimise the risk. Because there is noone about, and its a motorway, their is no risk to others. In fact there would be more risk to the search and rescue crew searching for the climber (members of search and rescue teams have been killed)
I know I'm stretching this one to the line, but hey, I love a good debate!!
I cannot use factual evidence but I would hazard a guess that 99%+ of all motocyclists have only been trained to the bog standard required to pass their test. Why this should be seen as giving them the skils to ride at such huge speeds is beyond me.
I have known many motorcyclists trained to the very highest standards. In the last 20 years 3 of them have died and 3 more permanently incapacitated in a major way, having received life threatening injuries.
I live on a suburban road with a hillcrest just prior to a T junction. The mouth of this junction cannot be seen on the approach to the hillcrest. Riders/drivers emerging from that junction cannot see over the hillcrest. Further on is a dealership that sells large motorcycles. I am amazed by the speeds I see machines ridden at, particularly on Sunday mornings, as they climb that hillcrest.
I have no problem with the taking of necessary risks, I do so regularly to defend the rights of individuals to go about their normal business.
If you want to enjoy high speeds I suggest you take yourself to the nearest race track and pay to use it.
Early one morning a lady (not me) was driving along to find a destroyed bike at the side of the road but there was no sign of anyone. After calling the police and looking for some time eventually someone looked up to see a body stuck in the tree. The the firebrigade were called the road was closed and the man retrieved. He lived.
Another one
A girl and boy climbing had an accident and once been noted missing and the route they took given to mountain rescue. They were rescued the following morning. Having taked the correct equipment they haddone all the right things to help themselves be found and found in good condition. They then raised the money to cover the rescue (4 times over) and donated it to the mountain rescue.
You tell me who was the most responsible. I know this is only two cases but to me shows the difference between people taking responsibilty. Not the you RR wouldn't act responsibly.
However, Steady, of those 3bikers killed and 3 incapacitated, as u say, they were trained to the highest standard, but were there any pedestrians involved? I firmly believe that where a biker is properly trained on the bike which he is riding, that where he does not risk the lives of others, that he is entitled to take risks now and again with his own life even though he has nothing really to gain from the risk other than a bit of fun.
But as I say, I would love to see graded tests introduced and proper training.
Tulips - I do act *very* responsible on my bike. I really do slow where there is a blind hillcrest or a corner that I can't see around to a speed such that I would be able to stop within my line of sight. I only actually arguing here because I love these moral .... discussions!
I tend to find that those of us who use the roads not in carsmotorbikes etc tend to be more careful since we know how it feels to have to jump into a hedge to avoid being flattened by someone having a bit of fun.
Lets face it though you always get idiots who, no matter how well trained. I wonder is a trained idiot more dangerous that an untrained idiot?