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The Crocked Knee club
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There seem to be so many of us suffering from different knee injuries, I thought I'd try and start a thread where we can pool advice and any other info.
My injury: mistracking patella because of short calf muscles, weak ITB and VMO. I've been off running for nearly 10 weeks and when I started to come back, the pain returned. So back to the stretching and exercises recommended by my physio.
Level of frustration: in the stratoshpere.
What's helped: walking, bike rides, signing up for the Rottingdean 15 mile walk, fab forumites.
My injury: mistracking patella because of short calf muscles, weak ITB and VMO. I've been off running for nearly 10 weeks and when I started to come back, the pain returned. So back to the stretching and exercises recommended by my physio.
Level of frustration: in the stratoshpere.
What's helped: walking, bike rides, signing up for the Rottingdean 15 mile walk, fab forumites.
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Will be back in a min!
Injury: worn out cartilage (now removed and bone drilled into to encourage new growth) resulting in leg bones with too small gap and beginnings of arthritis.
No running for v nearly 2 months, with at least 6 weeks more rest.
Dr recommendation: no running or other impact sports any more.
Frustration level: 11/10 and rising stress levels due work without running.
Things that are helping: great forumites, goals such as Rottingdean walk, sheer bloodymindedness!
I was more thinking about why he said it should be okay and yet it gives you grief after 5 minutes?
I thought because of my knees and the pain I would never be able to run but I can! The clicking is still there and they are a bit stiff the day after a good run, but the pain has got less now my legs muscles have strengthened. I cannot believe how much different running has made to my life.
FC
I both run and skate. I get a pain in the outside of my left knee after 45 minutes running but I can skate for hours without any trouble (though the foot-ankle joint which I knackered running gives me grief when I skate, but that's another story)
Left knee is making me very cross!!!!!!!!
Ok when running, but when I stop.... and during the night, oh boy!
Ice pack, stretches, muscle building exercises, all being done. Running Doc says stop, I say not until after GNR!
Well, other people have much worse things than a sore knee so I WILL DO GNR.
Later folks!
Proination(?) but most severe on left foot.
Already have shoes for this.
Weak muscles over knee, which are made worse by foot probs. Running Doc suspects arthritis as well, hence stopping later - maybe. I've refused X-ray as I'm doing GNR and will seek to sort serious probs after that.
I'm doing muscle strengthening exercies, icing and lots of stretching after running, and eating paracetamol at night!
There's a link to it at http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/0168-knee-injuries.htm
It's quite awkward to do and am not if I've got it right yet but others have reported it as helping. Will keep you posted as to whether it starts making a difference...
Hi
Having damaged my ACL left knee and cartilege in both knees I would like to join the CK club.
Is it possible to change the subtitle? "all knee injuries welcome" - I'd welcome a cure not a remedy
Fell over in park last night and landed fully on right knee. Husband was running with me and he just laughed at me and told me to get up!!! Have had knee check and there is only bruising but no running for a few days or more :0(
Meerkat, I am sorry about the knee. I thought mine was improving unitl I ran outside yesterday. So, back to the tready.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MEERKAT!!!
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Am really p...d off after no running for 2 weeks - i have been struggling with one injury or another for the last 6 months, but after a slightly better spell managed to get back up to 3miles, only to get an inflamed patellar tendon after what had felt like an easy run, and for no apparent reason. So now I am good friends with my bag of frozen peas and pack of ibuprofen.
Enjoy the rest of your birthday!
Crocked my left knee (where do the right knee injuries get together?) at Silverstone half M.
Working hard to rebuild but currently cannot run more than about 10 mins if not strapped with blue thingy.
Not quite 40 but less than a year to go. Pattern developing here?
Wish you all, all the best with these pernicious injuries.
Waap.
It's fine when running and fine when walking, but in the transition hurts like hell for 10 yards. It got whacked with a hockey stick in my teens (the term "eggshell fracture" sticks in my mind for some reason). The result is it's out of alignment and doesn't track properly - so it shifts between running and walking positions, I guess. Plus the associated muscle imbalance.
A small fortune on physios and poddies hasn't helped, so I put up with it. When it's bad I strap it - for what it's worth I've found the best straps to be the cheapie tubigrip ones from Boots rather than the huge cyber-warrior things in sports shops.
The problem is only when I run, I can do anything else. I get a pain on the lower inside of the joint that stops me in my tracks.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, am meant to be doing my first race in two weeks but have a feeling that is not going to happen.
I have patellar tendonitis and it's a bit unstable too!
I'm stretching, strengthening, icing and ibuprofenning (a new verb joins the English language)
I'm also still running, but doing a lot more cycling now as cross-training!
Guvnor
One thing that's become clear to me after two physios and three podiatrists is that you have to be REALLY careful about who you get advice from. First physio and pod were very nice peeps but they're weren't sports specialists, so couldn't give me the right advice.
Second thing is that my knee problem - mistracking patella - is caused by lots of different stuff not working correctly (and probably brought on by being mid 40s and doing too much too soon). Like others, the pain came on ten mins into running, but never when I walked.
My treatment so far has been:
- stretches to lengthen the calf muscles
- exercises to isolate the glute muscles so that I can get it firing
- ditto for the VMO (inner quad)
- manipulation of the patella so stretch the ITB
- pod has built up my insoles at the front as well as the back
The last one seems to have made a real difference - ran without pain yesterday for the first time in three months!
My physio is now getting me to stand and walk differently (!!) so that my glutes fire at the right time. Then I have to reproduce that when running so that the glute helps keep the patella in the right place and not facing inwards.
As some of you know my problems started after FLM 2002. The main cause of the pain was found to originate from the Pes Anserinus:- Below the knee cap, on the inside of the knee, are the attachments of three tendons:
semimembranous, semitendinosus, and gracilis. Together, these tendons create the pes anserinus area.
One article I came across made this statement:- The most common cause of chronic knee pain is weakness in the pes anserinus tendons. Anyway an MRI scan confirmed that this was the cause of my knee pain. However the scan also revealed a more serious problem. The bones of the leg, the femur and the tibia at the knee joint were showing signs of oedema in the bone. i.e. The blood was not flowing properly through the bone, this would have produced over a longer period a situation called ‘osteonecrosis’ or put more simply:- the bone was dying!!
No running for at least six months was the order from the consultant.This was back last July. Two more scans followed and late last October the improvement was such that the consultant gave me permission to start running again, which I did but not until the beginning of this year. My running has progressed well, and I’m due to have another scan next week. Hopefully the outcome will be favourable and I will be able to continue running.
Me I’m 48, weigh nearly 18 stone, and last year when I started training for the FLM hadn’t run many many years. The hope is that the sudden commencement of running and the amount of effort that I put in was the cause, because trauma (well 19 stone + of it), was the reason for the problem. I have a podiatrist lined up ready to do a full motion assessment and then make othoses. However how far I go depends on the results from next week.
One thing I never do now is to take aspirin, ibuprofen, etc to cover up the pain. If it hurts I stop, even if it’s for a week or more. I don’t wear knee supports for the same reason. Lets face it: few of us are going to set the world of sport alive, BUT we do enjoy what we do, and as such we need to be aware what our bodies are telling us. I find this frustrating and I’m sure many of you would as well, but it seems to have worked for me this last six months.
One thing has become apparent to me is the lack of understanding amongst the medical profession about the problems we encounter. To be told, you’re too old to be running and the like is devastating, apart from being untrue! Part of this is because the average physio, podiatrist just hasn’t seen some of these problems. However some of the problems must stem from ourselves as well in that we need to clearly express where the pain emanates from and to try to give good detail when we see a professional with a problem. Also if you keep pounding up and down on an injury you can not expect it to get better!!
I keep meaning to write my experiences up more full and perhaps one day I will.
Good luck to all you fellow ‘knee sufferers’.
p.s. to GNR runners……………..see you there