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Thanks for the feedback all – was worried I’d bore everyone off. Really helping me shape my plans.
Joolska – that’s positive feedback for P&D and a cracking PB. Noted re halfs. I’ve only ever raced HM mid marathon training, so never tapered for one. My PB was at the back of for me a big mileage week.
Leslie – Agree lack of mileage is potentially holding me back. Nice idea re halfs run at mara pace. Doing long mara pace runs solo in training is always tough, although mentally rewarding if you complete them. Thanks for the coach tip. Will investigate. Nice tempo session too. Enjoy the flyknits they will feel even better at pace. I have some box fresh next% (green thankfully!) waiting for a race. The old vaporfly 4% got me my 10k/HM/Mara PBs. They definitely make you faster.
TR – Good luck for Sunday. My 2nd edition copy of Advanced Marathoning (note a 3rd editions has just been released – sod’s law!) only calls for a race pace HM in the over 85 mile plan. That mileage is way beyond my current running. Shortening/Dropping some of the recoveries is a good point. Maybe I could sub x-training for one recovery.
OO – good luck Sunday at York and thanks for Seville feedback. I think if I hadn’t fluked London ballot, which also gives me time to build my mileage up I would of gone for Seville on a lower mileage plan.
DT19 – I recall we were in about a similar place last spring, except you paced the heat at London much better than I did Vienna, so encouraging to hear you have cracked sub 3 twice now. Well done. If you don’t mind who is your coach? Re weight, I’m also about 72ish (at 181cm). I have got down to 71kg with focus but can’t seem to get much lower. One thing I’ve learnt training for marathons etc is you can’t out exercise a bad diet. I actually dropped 4kg a couple years ago post marathon once I focussed on diet despite my exercise levels decreasing.
Gul – thanks. Had similar thoughts to create my own plan based on the up to 55 and 55-70 P&D plans and come out midway on distance but keeping the principals consistent. That said got 8ish weeks till I need to start London training which is plenty of time to gently push my mileage up and maybe make the 55-70 doable.
G-Dawg – glad someone found it interesting! Good reminder that’s it’s definitely about running the easy runs easy and the hard runs hard.
SBD – good luck Sunday. Thanks for the P&D/RW feedback. Yes, its consistently consistent that counts. Not managed that for the last couple of training blocks in truth. Looking at my records last time I nailed it was when I planned to run 5 times pw and only missed 5 runs over the 16 week block. Food for thought. Maybe 5 runs plus X-training might be better than 6 runs pw for me…
One more question before I head off to ponder all the helpful advice – thanks again – how do people handle knowing in advance they won’t be able to run one week of their training block. Basically, going skiing in March. There is no way I’ll knock out more than a couple of easy (probably treadmill) runs that week. Should I just start my plan a week early and allow for a week of x-training (although skiing is really not aerobic unless you go cross country)?
G-Dawg, my thought process is that whether I run my bulk mileage at 7.30mm or 8.10mm will have utterly no difference to my fitness in my opinion, however I can feel the difference in my fatigue when I do occasionally let go on an easy run so can imagine doing that repeatedly will have consequences over time. Plus, why feel more tired than you need to for the same outcome.
Look at stevie, just ran a 2.47 mara. He still rarely dips below 8mm on easy runs.
Leslie, on the point, nice easy run.
Completely contrary to my point, just over 9m at lunchtime with 7m at tempo, aiming for the standard 160bpm. Best run I've had in ages coming in at 6.32 average for 159 bpm. Lately these runs have been coming in at around 6.35 ish for about 163 bpm so definitely feeling fitter this week. Maybe it's the reduction in booze and the loss of bodyfat.
Splits today were 6.41, 6.34, 6.33, 6.27, 6.33, 6.30 and 6.29.
I had to stop during mile 4 because a women with a pack of 4 dogs clearly had no control over them. As I went passed them they all one by one started running at my feet then the bigger one (some sort of staffy) started jumping at me. I stopped and just stood still looking disgruntled whilst they kept jumping up on my waist line. Eventually she got them off me and brought them under control. No apology, just the usual 'it's ok, they don't bite'. It's not ok, I still don't want 4 dogs chasing me and jumping up at me and I had to interrupt my run. I'd have been very apologetic if they were my animals!
It's annoying, OO. Not everyone loves dogs, especially unknown ones chasing you whilst you run.
Rich, yes I recall you and Nicko were also in same place as me. Nicko has also since gone sub 3. In terms of planning that missed week I think it's pretty easy to work around when you know this far in advance.
My coach (and also Stevie's) is a chap called Lewis Moses of New Levels coaching. He is a former track athlete (briefly for GB) and his wife who has run for England also coaches under the banner as well.
Sounds like you're ready to go VT - good luck for Sunday.
Good luck for Sunday OO - just stay the right side of Sub 3.
Well done OO - that's a great result.
Hope VT is going well across the pond.
Didn't manage to say hello this morning but hope it went well TR.
Conditions good at Abingdon although there was some wind in places. A good day for me - 2:51:14 - a good 7.5 minutes off the 2010 PB - still trying to make sure I wasn't dreaming!