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Anyone want to join a sweapstake on how long it will be before PMJ considers whether to wax or shave?
Seriously stupid numbers for cycling bits and bobs: list price on this pair of pedals is £600: you get 10% off at wiggle so I'll have two pairs at £540 each
The cleats are £35 a pair and don't come included.
For the same £540 I can go to Tecos and get 675 cans of bitter. Much better toys for boys.
Conversations with non runners usually end in confusion or disbelief. If it's somebody trying to get into running though I usually try to help.
I work Saturdays Minni and have a very tough boss (Mrs OO)! I'll probably do the parkrun instead.
Yes PMJ I missed out a couple of months ago by 8 seconds at the Tynedale 10. That was a much tougher course and a better performance. Fortunately I broke the hour last year as a Vet, so I'm not too devastated.
PMJ - stick with the flat pedals on the MTB, I commute on one on flat pedals. You're only doing it to keep the engine ticking over after all. Folks spend zillions on bike bits but it doesnt make their bike go any faster, its their fat that slows them down.
I think you'll find that Fanuary is the next growing event after Movember.
Hello everyone, some good running going on I see
After a week off running and 3 weeks of slow/very slow running I am planning to start getting back into training properly after the marathon. It's been 7 weeks since I was in full flow - 3 week taper, though the first two of that were still quite busy.
My speed vs Hr pace seems to have eroded massively, have I
a) lost a lot of fitness in the month since marathon
b) got used to running slowly and not swithched back to normal yet
c) not fully recovered?
Regardless of which it is how long does it normally take to get back to speed post marathon?
Hope you're all doing well
PMJ - you can probably get some cheap pedals on ebay? I'd be interested to see the profiles of those who buy the £600 ones.
OO - that's a great time regardless of the seconds
They are aimed at 2 types of purchaser:
1. 25yr old elite racer - No (or extremely understanding) girlfriend / no mates / low paid job / rides thousands of miles on his bike / massive thighs. (I know this type very well)
2. 50yr old fat bloke on a bike - No (or shop-a-holic) wife / high paid job / spends thousands of pounds on his bike / massive belly (and wallet).
JD3 - That is a really 'it depends question'. Some people seem to knock out HM and 10k pbs 3 weeks after a marathon, others, myself included, struggle to get round any race within 6 weeks. Sometimes after a marathon you can feel rubbish but in a race situation can be surprised that you can dig deep to find a turn of speed. But I have found when this has happened to me, I have paid dearly for the effort over the next 2 weeks. Best let the recovery take its time.
edit: TR. Are you being rude?
Still drooling over PMJs fantasy pedals. £540... hum....
Keir - I know a few of the latter. Must be my age.
PMJ - I can see you're getting drawn in. Don't borrow the wife's razor though, they tend to get a bit upset!
keir - no, its a pucker hair growing/styling event. Google Fanuary.
evening all
20 miles biked through "ankle deep swanshit", just for fun tonight. I looked at the weather and thought I'm not running in that.
Swam twice yesterday, as well as a bit on Saturday. Also biked 52 miles Saturday, leading the Group 2 riders up hill and down dale. I wanted to go off in a different direction. Only did 5 miles of running. Norty boy.
With all this crap weather, I'm actually enjoying going swimming.
Keir is an aficianado of men's thighs.
Hmm
Gul - hope all is OK with you
Still not sure whether TR is being serious or not!!
PMJ - I bought myself a pair of very similar pair of pedals and cleats to those from my local bike shop and it came to about £100. And they fitted them on my shoes and set everything up. I'm a bit of a fair weather cyclist though so haven't been out for a few months now. Intending to do a couple of long sportifs next summer.
Belated congrats to OO - I can only dream of 60.0x!!
Rest day for me today as a. it's my birthday and b. I played volleyball (and lost again!) yesterday. Back out tomorrow morning for a brisk hilly one.
Its really an event !
Happy birthday Lorenzo.
JD3 - best not to rush it; just play it by ear.
Happy birthday for yesterday Lorenzo. Enjoy the hills today.
9 slow miles for me this morning.
My dad is very poorly now, but at least he is home.
So just to be clear: I have no intention of shaving anything other than my face. I have only ever shaved anything else on one occasion and that was for the chop and the stubble rash for weeks afterwards was the worst part of the whole thing.
http://www.fanuary.com/ does exist.
JD3: there is no hard and fast rule and I know it is not even as simple as being person specific.
May 8 2011 I raced a marathon and May 17 2011 I raced a 5k in 18:03 and then a track 5,000 in 17:52 on June 4 (and later in the summer onto a couple of 17:45s)
Apr 22 2012 I raced a marathon and never found the speed again: June 9th I did a track 5,000 in 18:05 and that was as fast as I got.
What may be important is really the length of your training cycle. In 2011 I did a 16 week campaign: in 2012 I did 10 weeks base building and then a 16 week campaign so my body needed the rest and I ignored it.
(((Gul))) Home is best.
TR what have you started!
Grow a Growler in Fanuary
Thinking of you Gul
Happy b.day Lorenzo.
A little concerned about what Faunary images are going to pop up on my screen
Interesting that this seems to have originated in New Zealand. Must be a southern hemisphere thing - what with Brazil and all that.
Up at Lorenzo o'clock to get in a cheaky 11miles in the rain. Needed breakfast by the time I got home.
TR/Minni - I'm not even going to look!
Keir - Best not search for it on your work computer!!! Nice early running. I was out before 7, also, in the rain. Very warm though - made the mistake of wearing a jacket. Felt rubbish all the way round (5.77 :7:53 pace). Probably haven't recovered from stepping up to a 15 from nowhere at the weekend. Will take a rest day tomorrow (maybe)!
PMJ - waxing it is then!
Gul - Thoughts continue to be with you. I lost an uncle to the dreaded disease yesterday. Went to see my Dad last night to make sure he was ok. Makes you realise how precious time is with them! As others have said 'no place like home'.
Thinking of you and your family Gul. Stay strong.
6.5 miles for me this morning - I still think that the dark and the rain make for great conditions for a training run, as long as it's not too windy.
I made the mistake of opening Minni's link - probably best not to circulate it around the office. Far too much detail from PMJ as well.
Lorenzo - I agree about the conditions. It makes me feel strangely excited about the training months ahead. It's been pretty warm, mostly, down here in the SE recently and it's hard to believe we've reached mid-November and hardly had a frosty morning. Running through puddles and being splashed by juggernauts on the main road this morning made me glad I put a jacket on!!!
I will definitely not be opening Minni's link then!
I switched off from PMJ's comment. Brought back too many memories....
Gul - Thoughts are with you and your family.
Lorenzo - belated returns.
2 mile recovery last night and feel so much the better for it with my new Alpkit head torch £15 from alpkit.com inc p&p (Thanks TR). More than good enough for me and pretty amazing performance for the price. Going out later for a 6-7 mile plod and aiming to consolidate into the mid 30s this week. I really struggle with early morning runs - what routine do you guys use, eat a bit more the night before? early breakfast? Every time I try pre 7.30am I just gonk out.
Mennania - I really struggle with the evenings nowadays and yet when I was younger I did most of my training on dark nights. The other thing is that I have so much 'taxi driving' to do for my kids in the evenings that I have no time so if I don't train first thing it aint gonna 'appen!
On most runs of up to 6 miles I eat very little. Normally I just have a couple of swigs of water. On occasions I'll have a banana. For longer work I try to have a light breakfast but usually feel the effects of this for the first few miles but stops the 'bonk' issue later on. I usually get up earlier for these runs to give a little time to digest the food but it's not perfect.
I think most on here will tell you it's trial and error.
I have found running in the morning to be much easier to fit into my very busy life which means I take less stress into my running which has to be a good thing! Took some getting used to but has been worth it and, also, means that if I ever get back to considering doubles it would be possible.
Minni - I didnt start it - it already existed !
Mennania - good value for money indeed
I always run on fresh air early doors, even 20+ miles. You are teaching your body to burn fat. The body is amazing it will soon adapt. I do the same for a 60min turbo, but if it's going to be a longer turbo or long ride then I'll eat some breakfast 5 mins before the off and even take more food with me, but thats cos cycling is power based and needs calories.
I prefer running in the morning. Much less chance for me to find an excuse not to run if I do it first thing. I also like the feeling of having achieved something before work.
I only have a glass of water and just go. That said, I started to feel hungry after 8m this morning. But I know from the past that when I feel that deep down hunger, I am depleting my carb stores and burning more fat.
I haven't got time nor able to make the noise involved in making a coffee before I run, I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to take a pro-plus to get that caffine hit to kick start the metabolism and encourage fat rather than carb burning. Any ideas?
Nice early running from DS2, Keir and Lorenzo.
Mennania - I'm usually out of the door within 15 mins of getting up; no food or drink, just time to get dressed, get the joints moving and go to the loo. One thing I don't like about parkrun is getting up to have breakfast and then hanging around waiting for it to settle before going out, and running in an evening just feels weird.
Same here - don't touch food before or during a long run. The two aims being to increase future glygogen storage, and improve fat utilisation (check the P&D bible for those using that!). Carbs before / during the run don't help this and take away a little from the effort of running 20 miles IMO. I know triathletes who do exactly the same on bikes, and improve to ride a reasonably long bike ride with water only - will do this about once per week. Even beanpoles can run a few marathons on the amount of fat they have. Its just getting at it that takes some work.
TR - I seem to remember you running 20 milers on empty. I'm not sure I'm near being able to do that yet, but I do on occasions do the odd longer one to help encouraging the body to burn fat. 20 miles is pretty impressive. Do you find the last few miles particularly tough when you do that?
Keir - I agree about the achieving something. Also, I am notoriously lazy once the day gets past 9am so I have to do all I can to start early.
Gul - I never used to find the joints needed much encouragement to start moving properly but, recently, knees and ankles seem quite stiff early doors. They do ease off within a mile or two but I had found this quite disconcerting at first. Is this a common issue amongst forumites?