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DD, congratulations. Great result.
Mimmi and CG, good luck for tomorrow.
AA, seconded to Mr Spoons comment. Going through tough moments in training definitely helps me going through tough moments in racing.
Minni / CG: good luck for today, its normal not to feel 100% the day before a key race, I was convinced I had a cold coming on the morning of the marathon... Its just your brain playing tricks.
AA: You got out there and did it, we all have tough days. But remember you never regret the runs you did its the ones you didn't do that you regret.
Go well all of you.
AA sorry about the long run, although I agree with others that it sounds like a blip brought on by a hard week. Mine went well yesterday, following a horrible run last week and funnily enough I'd been saying on the general thread that I seem to have a regular 16-miler nightmare that hits early in the campaign, so I think you could be on to something.
Hope you made it out OK today CG, looking forwad to your and Minni's race report.
I thought the "cramping caused by hydration" hypothesis has been largely discredited, unless you listen to Gatorade.
Minni - I'd look towards your training for the answers.
Minni, that's a PB isn't it, so fantastic given the circumstances and at a relatively early stage in your marathon campaign. Have you any more races planned before the marathon?
I read cramps were due to mineral deficiencies, but don't know how reliable the source was.
Minni - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but official time is 1:41. You were a few seconds behind me on gun time and a few ahead on chip time.
Minni passed me at around the 11 mile mark. She was struggling with cramp and I had stitch that was annoying more than painful but I couldn't get my legs moving any faster. I passed her again as she stopped to stretch. Really felt for her but I was suffering my own personal pain and couldn't even summon up any words of encouragement.
I was expecting a few minutes quicker really but I woke with a sore throat and slight cough this morning and it is still early days. I am taking it as an encouraging sign that my HR was a lot lower than I would normally expect for a HM (more like MP) so I wasn't running flat out but I'm not sure why my legs wouldn't let me maintain the pace. The usual pattern is that my HR rises so that it is more effort to maintain pace.
Oh god, that's even worse. I'd gone off my garmin time which is on auto pause when I'm stopped. Forgot about that.
Just downloading my data then I'll report......
We are all in the early stages of our training and need to realise that we are not in peak condition yet. I think our bodies are getting used to the increase in mileage. My legs are still really aching today and it was hurting even taking the dogs for a walk!
Tomorrow is a new week of training and we pick ourselves up and get back out there. It's weekends like this that make us stronger, I swear from experience.
On finishing the race the cramps moved from my legs to my stomach and I've not had a pleasant journey home to say the least!
I'll give you my splits first then analyse .....
7. 7.46 (this was when the first cramp hit in the back of my left leg, took gel, stretched, water)
9. 7.37 (bit of cramp down the front (quad)of my left leg, gel)
10. 7.50 (cramp back to the back (hamstring area) of my left leg and continued on and off from this
I felt really good in the first 5 miles; I felt as if I could go faster and had to slow myself down on several occasions. Then on mile 7 I started to feel the tightness of cramp. I tried to run through it but it wasn't easing. I took a gel and some water, stretched on a fence and it eased. I'd been running with a group who'd quickly got a good bit ahead but during mile 8 I caught then back up. Then during mile 9 I started to feel cramp in my other leg (I'd possibly changed my stride slightly to compensate for left leg...). Again, stopped and stretched. It was back in the left leg by mile 10 and, again, I took on a gel, stretched etc. From here on in I was bothered with it. I took on a form of tourettes punching my leg and swearing at it every time it misbehaved and this cleared it for a time. When the cramp wasn't there I was feeling great and able to pull away but when it hit I couldn't run through it.
I was really mad with myself and could have easily started to cry but didn't want to lose anymore salt through tears......
In 2009 I ran London (3.32) then Edinburgh (3.42), 5 weeks apart, I was troubled with cramp during shorter races for the rest of the year but I wasn't bothered with it last year.
Looking at my training over the past week: I ran the 12 miles fell race 7 days ago which involved a lot of climb and my hamstring has had twinges since. On Friday I ran 10 miles at 8.18 m/m, which I knew was too fast just 2 days before a half marathon.
I think my hydration was ok. I drank the usual PSP22 before the race and made sure I was well hydrated yesterday.
Now for the positives..... I think I ran a 10k pb and certainly ran a 10 mile pb today, but not a half (1.36 back in 2006). My OH ran is first half on the bare minimum of training and finished in 2.17. Very proud of him .
Minni, sounds like it was an incredibly frustrating experience . Well done to your OH .
I managed 6 miles today, bringing me to 13 miles for the week. It's v low mileage but I finished the 6 feeling like I could keep going and so given that 2.5 miles felt tough last week I'm pleased with that progress and it gives me something I can build on. A friend's 5 year old was visiting earlier in the day, and as a result I had Nellie the Elephant stuck in my head the entire run . Lots of tidying up to do now.
I was around lots of people with bad colds this week, which was the last thing I needed, but a combination of echnicea, first defence and vit C seem to have done the job.
Me too. When I bumped into EPS at the end and he asked how I was, I replied 'Older and slower'.
Minni - sorry it didn't go to plan. When I was training for NY I suffered cramp in the calf and started drinking dirolite (that drink you take when you've got sickness or diarheoa - can't spell!!) it really helped. High mileage and sweating a lot takes a lot of salts and minerals from the body.
Well done to your OH. I am still stiff as anything today so on the red wie for relaxing muscle purposes
BecsA - I am also doing Reading half as v local to me. And Wokingham half in 4 weeks. And Bramley 20 in 5 weeks. Thats my pre-London lot.
CG - the mileage you put in is amazing. It will all come together on the 17th April. What year did we run some of London together?
AA when did you drink it? All the time, during runs, after runs...? I'm really good at hydrating so I think it has more to do with pace, but I'm willing to consider anything.
Another point, I dropped about 3 pounds last week, which is normal for me at this stage but maybe that, along with other factors had something to do with it,
Probably I went off too fast....
Ok so it didn't go quite the way you wanted it to go but what are the positives?
Well for starters you seem to have run about a 44 min 10K and then a 74-36 10 mile, as per your post both of these are PB's for you. For the record I have run sub 3-30 marathons off times very similar to those for 10K & 10 miles.
Cramp: A quick troll through several articles on the internet appear to show that dehydration and mineral deficiency are no longer considered the likely cause of cramps, and "altered neuromuscular control" is the current favourite, to prevent cramp percieved wisdom appears now to be
Therefore it may well be that Morgahan is right and you need to look at your training. I guess the first question to ask is did you warm up before your race yesterday? I would normally trot about 2 -3 miles before a 1/2M slowly speeding up throughout the session with the last 500M at race pace, aiming to be done 30 mins before race start.
The next thing I would look at is speedwork in your training, you set off at 7-15 minute miles yesterday but I don't recollect you running at that pace in training at all over the past few weeks (I could be wrong and please correct me if I am). Its my opinion that if you want to race a pace you must train at the pace sometimes.
Stretching well I'm the worlds worst at that so we will leave it alone!
If we stick your time yesterday for 10 miles in the Macmillan calculater we get the times below up to marathon, in fact even your time for the 1/2 almost falls in with the predictions.
10K 44-31 10M 74-35 1/2M 1-39-03 Marathon 3-28-54, so you have the ability but need to work on speed and endurance together.
So what do you do ? I would suggest that you run your LT & VO2 sessions faster then you are at present. Incorporate higher speeds for the last portions of your long runs. Don't dwell on it, have a rest and get back out there, from failure comes strength.