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kfc I have to echo what Minni & spoons are saying too many 1/2M and not enough 20+ miles. Like the others I would either drop 2 of them or add miles on before or after (I always prefer before as its hard to motivate your self when you have just crossed a finish line). Only one 20 miler simply isn't enough, I never do less than three prefer 5 and like two to be around the 23 - 24 mile mark. Running on your own is never easy and I try to avoid long runs on my own but if there is no choice (as there wasn't over xmas) then I do it, you have to develop that sort of mental toughness or your marathon ain't going to happen.
IM target, assuming I don't go into melt down or have serious mechanical difficulties then 12 hours on a good day 13 on a bad day, somehow expect all being well that it will be between the two, finishing will do to be honest.
I got in a good days training yesterday, 1 hours swim then 3 laps of the park with my club for a 8 mile tempo run ( well as most of it was run fairly close to 10K pace more like a race!). I know my racing schedule looks heavy but the truth is I don't actually push that hard in most of them its more a way of getting in a hard workout.
Spoons: Hope you soon feel better.
Sppons - ditto - hope you feel better soon.
I'm tired today so not running. Bad night's sleep doesn't help and 6 Sport Massages to do today also will take its toll.
Well done on getting those 800s out of the way on tired legs. Fingers crossed it really only is DOMS. Get in those zzzzzs.
Mr S - elbows, forarms and knuckles!!
Chick - bloody amazing - your endurance must be incredible
Not scared off, but getting the message LOUD and CLEAR! Feeling inspired by all the advice, so am going to stop kidding myself that a 10 miler is a long run, and that just because I’m running longer this time than I’ve ever managed before, that doesn’t mean I’ve cracked it, just that I’m now able to do some long runs worthy of the name with less risk of crocking myself.
So here’s what I’m gonna do:
1) Keep in the halfs, but get in an extra 4 miles either before or after. I never aimed for these to be racing runs, they are there to force me to run that distance. I do them at a mixture of marathon and half marathon pace – starting and holding 8min miles, then speeding up to 7:30s in the last few miles.
2) Do the full 20M at Worthing
3) Try and add a midweek 8M when I can. First attempt tomorrow morning - wish me luck!
Oh, and I do enjoy running on my own - the issue is all to do with previously only seeing my OH at weekends – means the decision to cycle together rather than run on my own was only ever going to go one way (and him cycling while I run just makes him fat!). We are now in the same place during the week, which makes it much much easier to disappear and run for a few hours at the weekend.
DD - Target looks good for IM– given the training you are putting in close to 12 looks well in sight.
Mr S - healing thoughts from here - try and enjoy the rest week, am sure you'll come back stronger for it.
Mr S glad you're on the mend. And I think your attitude is right, so glad you've moved from angry to philosophical.
On longest runs, I'm thinking of doing my longest to last 3.30 hours with a slower pace than usual, which I reckon will equate to about 22 miles. I did this last year as my final run and recovery was fine.
Mr Spoons and Chickadee hope you're both recovered soon.
KFC - How quick are you doing most of your long runs? Sorry if you'e said before and I've missed it earlier on the thread but I'm wondering because the difference between being able to do runs of the length you're currently doing and the really long ones is slowing it right down.
Went to the running shop near work at lunchtime and have a new running backpack . Tried running with it on the way home and it was great - did 6.4 miles and got home about an hour earlier than usual if I'd done that length run at work thanks to saving the comute. It stayed pretty still and didn't seem to affect the run much apart from my legs feeling heavy and a bit tired, but then that could well partly be from the runs I did at the weekend.
Just wish I'd tried it sooner as I really struggled with trying to fit the mileage in doing P&D in the autumn as I was getting home so late after the longer midweek runs.
Thanks to everyone for convincing me to try it.
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I'm sure KFC is out getting a 20 miles in! What do you think kfc, can you get more long runs in? Spoons - have you seen the physio or doc? I've often fitted a 22 mile into the training and I think it does help psychologically but it's not essential. I suppose it depends on how confident you are with the full 26 miles. I will probably push one of my 20s up to at least 21. I have 3 x 20 in my schedule (1 done last weekend). I also have: 1x 16 with 12 at marathon pace ( this week) 1x 18 with 14 at marathon pace (4 weeks time) DD .. What is your opinion? Are these marathon paced runs better than knocking out 20s? AA .. I hope you get sports massages on yourself too?
Minni: I think that those runs with long sections at MP are more important than getting in another 20 miler. I have banged on about it before but will repeat myself at the risk of becoming boring.... You have to be able to run marathon pace comfortably and by feel alone. If you don't run some sections of your long runs at MP your not going to do it on the day.
kfc: You have a plan.
Mr Spoons: Take it easy until you feel right, your being very sensible something I find very hard to do.
Becs: Glad that you found a rucksack that suits.
Just over 7 miles in the bag before work today - awesome.
Becs - hope you get on well with the commute runs and the rucksack - its the only way I manage to run during the week. Try and take as little stuff as possible (keep a few days worth of clothes at work if you can), and adjust every time you put it on so it fits nice and snug however full it is.
kfc - what a result! Well done on getting your run in today and for sorting out the long runs. You wont regret it! Its really hard sometimes trying to fit running around life..... or is it, life around running....?
BecsA - another great result with the backpack and a brilliant run home. It looks like that's going to be a good solution to getting more miles in.
Spoons - Glad to hear things are a bit better - how sensible taking a week off.
Wobbled - 3.30 run sounds good.
Kiwi - how were the 800s?
DD thanks for info on long runs with MP. You don't believe in making this easy do you...
My planned run last night was 6 miles recovery but it was club night. We did a mile warm up followed by hills reps, which entailed 5 x 30 second intervals on 5 different hills. I gave it my all! Did have a touch of nausea but not as bad as last week or the week before and ran through it. With a mile warm down afterwards the session ended up being 7 miles.
Today should have been 14 mid run but I've only managed 8.5 off road, since I have to go the the smoke with my daughter for an orthodontist appointment.
I won't get out tomorrow unless its 3 or 4 with the dog before work, and I'm moving my 16 with 12 at MP to Friday. I had planned to do 6 miles on Sunday with some 800m reps but wondering if I should do today's 14 instead.
I asked Ruth the dietitian over on Krypto's thread about the dodgy tummy issue and she gave a great reply. I don't have time to digest (pardon the pun) it at the moment but will get back to it later.
Minni: Easy? Easy? Whats Easy about running marathons . Me I would stick with the 6 on Sunday and include some intervals, I really don't think that a extra 8 miles run at 20 seconds above MP will make much difference in the greater scheme of things. BUT some speedwork might just be effective in getting you comfortable with speed!!
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. BUT some speedwork might just be effective in getting you comfortable with speed!!
Minni - hard fitting "life" in around all this training hey!! I often have to bail out and do short or fast instead.
I did 4.5 hilly miles today (4 steep long hills) managed to keep them all to sub 8s, but it hurt a lot and has really made me rethink my target for Wokingham Half now
Had my treadmill serviced today - with a new bed and belt and its all lovely and clean... can't wait to get back on it