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  • I had an interesting incident today...a couple of lambs had escaped from a field and couldn't get back in. Both them and their Mum were bleating away and the little lambs wee petrified. I'm a city boy so had no idea what to do but a bloke coming the other way showed me - just pick them up and 'throw them over'. 

    Was so tempted to take one home to 'meat' my family tomorrow afternoon though.

    Its spring now though - the baby bunnies re back and much more birdsong. Great for my longest run since my op - 9 miles,

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭

    Good effort from Mo this morning, alas I feel the marathon may be a step not worth taking for the man at the moment? With so many super fast men on the marathon circuit and the fact he is so good at the track distances does anyone else here think he should stick to that? With the Commonwealth games and another olympic 5 and 10k up for grabs in a couple of years is the marathon worth the effort? 

    10.19 miles today. Average pace 10:18 over an undulating course and it felt very comfortable. Three days consecutive running for me, not sure if that's ever happened before? An easy run planned for tomorrow. Feeling pretty damn good.

    April - 43.2

    2014 - 266.27

  • Agree JR

    A very good effort from Mo and he says he will be back next year

    Whose applying for London 2015 ?

  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    Well done Ed, not sure I could just chuck a lamb over a fence!! 

    Good run there JR, sounds as if you are going well.  For me a very very lethargic 15, one more 20 to do Sunday then taper time,   

    Liz Yelling said on face book that Mo is a racer rather than a time trialist and he didn't get involved in a race,  to win he had to be with the lead group. And he never was. He now knows what it is all about.  Although he did break the English record, and if Chris Thompson had run 2:08 we would have been over the moon!  

    Yes I will enter again.  So good luck Book Trunk and anyone else on here taking their chance in the ballot.  At least Mo doesn't need to enter the ballot!  

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭

    Another 5k today, didn't bother timing myself and have a feeling I ran a little faster than I would have done if I had. Anyway, four consecutive days running, the first time in my adult life! Rest day tomorrow, back out Wednesday.

    Passed the 200k mark on the 5x50 challenge. image

    April - 46.3

    2014 - 269.37

  • Am letting the side down here. Havent run since 5/4, hope to be back tomorrow

  • Actually did some of that running stuff last night! yeah I know! image

    330 - my first proper one was only last night since 26/4 dont worry about it image

    I tried to take it easy and kept forcing myself to slow down over the 5k. My hamstring is not perfect but I can run. Surprising how hot it was out there, I was all layered up and nearly caught fire when I walked inside!! I was aiming to stick to 12m/m but every time I looked at my watch it was around 10-10:30m/m. This is my biggest problem when coming back after a "rest".

    More acupuncture tonight, fingers crossed everyone that this is the one that fixes me.......for now image   

    2014 - 148.6

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭
    Don't fret 330, just adjust your target for the month and off you go.



    B2B, I know what you mean about running after a rest! The legs just won't slow down. Good to see you got out. Good luck tonight.
  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    Well done on the 4 on the trot JR - just need not to get to carried away by it all!!!!

    330, like I said the other week - sometimes life just gets in the way -

    We had a pipe that sprung a leak last night and was leaking into the electrics - I had to turn the water off - all I could think of was that how am I going to get a shower in the morning after my run!!!!! Had almost decided on a dip in the sea!! luckily we were able to get the plumber who did out bathroom to come out - disaster averted!!!  8.27 miles run on what was a lovely but quite chilly morning.

    Hope the acupuncture works tonight B2B - 100 miles getting very close now!!!

  • Well done everyone, sorry for not being around for a while, life has taken a big chunck out of me.....my Mum fell over and broke her hip so have been doing daily hospital duty image haven't done much running managed 3.5 miles on Friday but to keep up with the 5x50 I have been having to use the cross trainer/bike doing a quick 10k before jumping in my PJ's I am finishing work early tomorrow so hoping to get a run in round the park.

    Watched the marathon on Sunday, thought Mo did well but think he should stick to the track for a while longer.

    Good luck with the acupuncture B2B hope we will be back out running together soon.

    330 hope life settles for you soon and you can get the miles you want

     

  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    Sorry to hear about your Mum, not sure her age group MS, but my Mum is 80 and Dad 79,  Dad passed out in the garden two weeks ago and hurt his hip,  has to go and see a bone specialist now!! and Mum last week tripped and fell over a paving slab outside - two black eyes and a very swollen wrist - but all she would say is it is one of those things - we are 80 you know!!!!

    SO I know what a worry they are at that age!!!!! Hope she recovers quickly.

    Well done on keeping going in what ever shape or form you can manage.  (not sure how it works - But someone I know is doing it and she did 10K one day so she didn't have to do it the next day - Now that to me is against the spirit of it - I did 23 miles the other Sunday so, based on her argument I wouldn't have had to do anything else for 7 days and then only 1 mile on the 8th!!!!) 

  • Grendel - out of interest what training plan are you using for the marathon? would love to see a copy of it

    Also general question all - what do the elites have in their "special" drinks? do you think its just the usual stuff (Lucozade, Gatorade or whatever) or something else not commercially sold ? Not that I need them, I could just do with a nice cup of tea every 5k !!

  • 330 - a lot of that stuff is for show at the end for promotion reasons. Most will use stuff that works like NUUN, SIS, Elete water, High 5....that kind of jazz all of which can be bought very easily by us mortal folk image

  • B2B - Not that I wanted to drink what the elites drink but just interested if its some concoction that they make up from powders etc or if it is available commercially - sure half of it is all in the head

    Its like watching London Sunday - people drinking like waters going out of fashion and cramming gels, bars and everything else down their throats. Sure half of it isn't needed, when I done London just had a decent breakfast (porridge, seeds, maybe sultanas) and had whatever energy drink was available and that was normally every 5 miles or so

  • 330 - mostly I would suspect good ol water. Its true, people tend to not think about the nutrition/water enough BEFORE the race. You really should be training with what you intend to use on race day.

    Rookie mistake number 1 is to try new stuff on the day. Thats why so many folks end up with stomach issues

  • Yup for London next year will get used to whatever they hand out and maybe some cliff block shots - heard they are good

     

     

  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    330 the intention was to follow a schedule to the letter - sort of abandoned it a few weeks ago - if I had followed it my longest run would be this sunday coming (22 miles) but as I have already gone to 23 and done 22 twice and 21 twice with only one 20 - I'm only going to do 20 anyway -

    I was fine with the schedule but where I failed was the speedwork - which given the long runs I just couldn't handle and given that I am just aiming to get round quicker than XX:XX:XX which is quicker than the time Pat Dobbs, one of the London ever presents time on sunday - so just decided to plod it all - will have a week off afterwards and then start doing less miles and more speed work - hopefully with the strength of all those miles - may even do a couple of parkruns.

    I'll just be drinking water on the way round - there is a lot of *rap talked I think at the London - you don't need water every drink station - I think Halstead has 5 stations in total - I will drink on the way round and may walk the drink stations - (hark at me - I may walk a lot more than the drink stations!!)

    Given I have done some 20s with nothing I should be OK - when I did my PB - i only had water -  (i suppose I wasnt on my feet for so long though)

    Just seen I am second in the fetch/rw challenge thing!! (long way to go though)

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭

    MS and Grendel, hope your parents recover soon as possible.

    Grendel,  agree, totally against the spirit. You can’t do your long run and take the week off! The whole point is 50 straight days of at least 5k. That’s the challenge.

    330, I think it all depends who’s sponsoring the event! Simple as that really. You pay your money, they drink (or pretend to deink) your stuff. As B2B says, probably water during the race. Some will have a salt mix to their personal requirement. Blackcurrant squash and salt is very tasty when mixed correctly.

    I have tried quite a few different energy bars/gels recently and found a lot of them to be bloody horrible. Certainly wouldn’t want to be using them on a run.  Cliff bars are pretty good imo, PowerBar energize I found really tasty and easy to cope with. High5 energy bars sickly, not pleasant. SIS go bar, no thanks. I had a few with some gear I bought and tried five different thing in total. They’re okay for the extra protein but I wouldn’t pay for the stuff. I will stick to good old flapjack for my extra energy or post run recovery food. Chocolate milkshake (nesquik) is my post run drink and water my pre and during run choice. I think the most important thing is to just do the appropriate amount of training and make sure you’re hydrated in the days leading up to the event, not just the morning of the race.

    Rest day for me today, been to Exeter races, had a few winners. Battered sausage and chips for tea. J

  • JR - good points. Eat well and hydrate well all should be fine

    No run again but out tomorrow - watching Brighton highlights and determined to make London next year

  • Hey folks,

    Haven't run for a week now. Time is not being kind, my dissertation is due in on the 28th and I am snowed under.

    Determined to get out tomorrow though, it's so frustrating.

    Keep up the good work all.

  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    Needs must Beachball - running isn't life, running is part of it and sometimes life will have to intrude.

    8.26 miles done this morning - will need to dig out my new trainers and start breaking them in -  so my goal for tomorrow is to dig them out ad use them.

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭
    Beachball, 330..... It's on the thread now so you have to go out! I'm out this evening too.



    On the Mo marathon thing, might it just be greed on the part of us who are saying get back to the track so we can watch him win more medals? Maybe he's in need of the new challenge? Someone in work was slating Brendan Foster for bemoaning what was actually a verygood run and pretty much on target for what he wanted to achieve. I'm not so sure now what to think?
  • I think in Mo's case he wants to prove he can do the marathon and wants another go

    I think the commentators were ridiculous yesterday - Mo obviously wanted the British record - and if he got it they would have been saying how fantastic it was. He misses it by 2 mins or whatever and hes slaughtered 2mins over 26 miles !!!!

    He has got the medals from the last Olympics perhaps next he wants a marathon medal at the Olympics

    The intensity these guys run at means you cant do 4/5 mararthons a year so when you do one your preperations and training must be spot on.. Also you need to run a marathon to know what it takes - then next time set your preperations accordingly. It was MOs first one - he will be better prepared physically and more importantly mentally next time

  • Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    Have to agree, had Chris Thompson run 2:08 instead of Mo, it would have been a great time,  he still ran an English Record - beating another 25 year old record. When Scott Overall ran 2:10 something a couple of years ago it was considered a good time - Mo runs two minutes quicker and suddenly 2:08 the English record is cr*p.  When Eamon Martin won London in 1993 his time was over two minutes SLOWER than Mo's and Eamon had been the British record holder over 10K -   Bekele ran 2:05 in Paris in a race that was paced for him, he had no meaningful oposition. Mo on the other hand took part in what was probably the strongest field ever assembled - (alright I know it was slighltly weakened when 330 withdrew) and finished 8th, and I think the 4th fastest time by a British Athlete after Steve Jones's efforts. And lets face it -  Scot Overall was on for 2:10 at half way and crashed out to 2:19.  MO would probably have benefited from pace makers dropping back to help him at one point rather than him chasing them which seemed to be happening - As good a runners as Foster was - I think his commentating skills are sadly lacking - something Paula showed several times when she disagreed with what he was saying - Rant Over

  • Regarding Mo`s effort....amazing! The first try of ANY distance is a tester, a benchmark and a great lesson. To come 8th on his first try will make him hungry. Expect BIG things over the next few as he learns and adapts. If he was "just another guy" then the commentary would have been different, instead he is treated like a crown jewel and slated for any error.

    At the end of the day he is a professional athlete but more importantly, just a guy. He is still young in the marathon world and I really look forward to his progress

  • Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭
    Agreed, in many ways hes no different to the rest of us. Just a regular guy with a ruthless competitive streak and and urge to make the best out of anything he does. On one hand I want to see what he can do over 5 and 10k, and maybe even 1500 but on the other hand maybe Mo just wants to see how far he can go. He has the speed, a great coach and a desire (his words) to break 2 hours for a marathon. Possible or not it would be amazing to see someone try.
  • I think Wilson Kipsang might beat him to it but it will be great to see how close he could get!

  • A nice and slow 4.2 miles averaging 10:48mm. Very warm in the sun too. Good to finally get back out there and it felt quite comfortable at that pace.

    Will try and catch up with everyone when I get some time but you all look fine to meimage

    Right, back to the books.

    Apr - 15.4

    2014 - 101.1*

    *Takes off helmet and raises bat towards pavillion image

  • Grendel - Lol !!! I was gonna be his pacer as wellimage

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