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We might be able to get an invading army together!
Thanks Slow Duck for starting the new thread ... next year will be my 4th (3rd down) and I am in for sure. I think entry opens on 1 September and finishers this year do not need to do a qualifier (thats been the criteria for the last 2 years at least).
Hernia fixed yesterday ... so taking a forced break now!
Come on Keith, you know you want to.....
I will be back. I have a score to settle with this race
First though, a few targets to shoot for in the second half of 2011. Target 1 is sub 80min half. Target 2 is sub 2:45 marathon. I may kill myself trying to get them but it will be good fun nonetheless.
Warren - Target 1 will be a breeze for you and Target 2 is well within your reach with a solid training period and race. For comparisons, to get a championship start at London you need either a 2:45 marathon or a 75 half.
I'm very jealous of you all going back next year, I'm going to have to wait until 2013 or 2014.
I got 10.35 this year.
Can I get the Bill Rowan next year and what will it realisticaly take?
I don't really bother with such distances for the most part.
My only marathon was a trail marathon and I got 4.02. I got 1.53 in a half marathon, but that was my first ever race, and I have never done one since. I recently got 2.45 in the Ashby 20, which would imply that I could probably get sub 1.40 in a half marathon today. My best and only time for a 10k is 46 minutes.
So what do you make of that?
Thanks for the advice.
Not tempted to go back right now (presumably if you are ever THAT desperate for a b2b medal you change your name and suck up the extra 2 races you will therefore need to get a green number) but who knows. It is not so much the race but it's just a hell of a long way to go and of the order of a thousand quid in travel expenses, and, you know, maybe I'm not just that sucked in to the collect-the-tokens stuff (different colour medal, extra medal, & so on). But never say never. It would be nice to overcome my gut issues and get a bronze -
- in fact I would be interested here and now to hear any tips on dealing with that.
I think it's a big leap from marathon running to Comrades (where folk like me are walking maybe about half the way and not running all the fast the rest of the time). Presumably (I should do the maths some time) a LOT more of your energy comes from fat and so the big mistake a lot of us make, perhaps, is not to scale down the gels/drink intake to be in line with the reduced rate of glycogen depletion...?
The other main issue I had was the horrible early start - I was thinking maybe I should have just spent most of my pre-race time in SA trying to sleep and not worrying about trying to acclimatize to the early start, but what do I know...?
Not sure btw there is a big correlation between marathon time (or other shorter times) and Comrades time - or rather there is certainly an enormous amount of variability because stuff just kicked off.
We could probably draw up a table of thread members mara vs comrades times, but the short version is that Carmen beat the Yelling/Williams pair by 4 minutes!
SlowDuck - I keep on forgetting to ask - when the cutoff was 11 hours, who did the 11 hour bus then & what was it like?
I went pretty flat out in the Ashby 20, but I did not taper for the event, and effectively treated it as my long run that week.
The Leicester marathon is on my doorstep in October, and would be well suited to getting a better seeding/testing your theories.
Slotwin (assuming she has come over here from the 2011 thread) - for shin splints you could try sports massage. Might hurt like billy-oh but a good masseur/se can work wonders.
Still in Seattle here - it's half past 2 in the afternoon and there is a brief lull in the frenetic activity. Day started with 8am conf. call and I worked through lunch so nice to have a bit of down time (have just caught up with OH via a google talk video call, isn't modern technology wonderful).
Oh blimey - is it Father's Day on Sunday?!
Well Ben as an experiment you could try training for Leicester to see what that produced. A sub 3.40 marathon would give you a C seeding - most of the BR's come from B and C I believe. Long runs wouldn't be more than 20 miles though, running ultras here and there wouldn't help your marathon prep if your aim is to run the fastest marathon you can. Ideally you would run a half flat out and then use the resulting time as the basis for your marathon schedule. For example if you ran 1.38 -39 a sub 3.30 is feasible a 1.45 would put you closer to 3.40.
If you look at the training schedules on the Comrades website they also give the times you would need to achieve at 5k - Marathon in order to achieve the various medals - nothings gauranteed of course.
Another usefull site is www.mcmillanrunning.com which has a usefull calculator. If you input a race time up to marathon it will produce a table of times for other distances.
Personally for me to improve I think I would need to do more gym work as well as running.
From the sound of it Martin Yelling had a knee problem (and then scurried the last 10 or so km to beat the 11 hour cutoff hopped up on random painkillers blagged from passers-by!).
But it still goes to show that really nothing is guaranteed!
Ben - Of course you can. You just have to want it bad enough to do the work required to get it.
Jelly Bean - If you look at the last split for the MT guys, they are nowhere near 20min 5k pace. I think that everybody feels like they are flying from the top of Polly's to the finish, but the reality is very different.
Agree with Stevie that a lot depends on how much you want it and how much effort you put in...but the stats don't totally lie either. Havent seen them from 2011 yet but they should be available any day but for 2010 ...
A seeded runners (sub 3:00) 38% got Bill RowansB Seeded (sub 3:20) 65% got Bill RowansC Seeded ( sub 3:40) 41% got Bill RowansD Seeded runners (sub 4:00) 7% got Bill RowansRest less than 1% got Bill Rowans
Assuming that there were some runners in the wrong pens then being able to run a sub 3:40 marathon seems the best indication of ability to get a BR. So at some level testing yourself over a standard marathon should give you an indication of your BR potential.
I'm here Fido, packing for my next trip (well, clearly NOT packing since I am on here). Anyway, thanks to you and Sam for tips. I had 2 massages before I left Durban, and none since, so perhaps best get some more - although difficult when I am on the road as much as I have been since returning.
Pete: glad op went well, another 17k for you soon then .
JB: I availed myself of those portaloos too. Sure hope it wasn't you who was responsible for the odour in the one I used, pheweeee! As if eh?
Sporta: You mean you aren't tempted to come back and actually meet us all next year? Surely that has got to be worth SOMETHING? .
I'm in the 'will I, won't I' camp re: 2012. Part of me wants to experience the down, part of me thinks my body won't be so kind to me a second time. I had no real physical or mental issues during the run (only afterwards!) -partly cos I wasn't pushing myself - but cannot believe that I'll get away with that twice. Anyway, whilst the jury is out and I try and dream up a plausible excuse to use on my family for weekend absenteeism AGAIN, then I shall continue to hang around here and lob in my views.