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It's all about the fastest flowing bit of water kk. That stretch is tidal and I don't fully understand all the mechaniocs of it, but according to the precise mix of water flowing one way and tide you can get either very little benefit or a major boost (and at times it can make it a lot harder work). According to the commentary crew the stream was with them. However, the fastest flowing bit of that is pretty narrow which is why they row so close together; they both want the same chunk of water.
I've rowed on the boat race chunk of water numerous times and it can make a real difference.
The deepest water is the fastest flowing i thought.
Tmap wrote (see)
XFRbear - what I meant is that she (in fact both) responded well each time the umpire warned them prior to the swimmer
Were we watching the same race? At least 20 warnings given to Oxford prior to the swimmer!
As I said above, I agree with you that the Oxford cox was at fault as for whatever reason she didn't move away prior to the decisive clash, despite very heavy warnings.
If you're really suggesting that only one of the pre-swimmer warnings was directed at Cambridge then there's not a whole lot of point discussing it. In the version I watched and have re-watched since, both crews had a number of warnings, and both responded well to the umpire's warnings.
XFR Bear wrote (see)
I wasn't counting but yes there were loads, I can only recall one shout of Cambridge.
Prior to the swimmer there were at least 15 separate warnings at Cambridge and 18 directed at both crews. Which, I might point out, includes Cambridge. There are around 23 directed specifically at Oxford, but it's a little less one-sided than you seem to claim, and not really grounds to ridicule me.
You haven't answered my question about why then did the umpire repeatedly shout at Oxford? Or in your opinion did that not occur?
I wouldn't for a second suggest that my memory is perfect, but I'd be surprised if it was hugely out.
It's a bit of a moot point anyway as the clash of blades was Oxford's fault, regardless of what happened before.
You appeared to be suggesting that my memory of the race was wrong. I think if you watch it again you'll see that I am right in saying that the coxing prior to the swimmer was responsive to the umpire (see immediately after Hammersmith Bridge as one of several good examples). You will also see that your memory of only hearing one call to Cambridge is not quite right. As I've now said twice, I agree with you that the clash was indisputably the fault of the Oxford cox. So I'm struggling to see quite why you think my memory of the race is so wrong.
Sussex Runner -it's great to see that you're finding this "elitist trash" so interesting.
And still you don't answer my question.
I've just rewatched the first minute again - and pretty much as I remembered, there are repeated cries to Oxford - five within less than fifteen seconds (and none to Cambridge). Why was the umpire continuing to shout if Oxford were as reponsive as you suggest?
This really was my main point of disagreement, and regardless of the count of shouts later, in my opinion the first minute demonstrates that the Oxford cox wasn't as responsive as you suggested.
She moves out each time he warns her, right the way through the race. There's only one point where they come anywhere near to a clash (before the decisive one), which is in heavy contrast to practically every race in recent years where coxes have seemed to be actively seeking a clash and ignoring the umpire. It was good to see and the commentators mentioned it too.
You seem desperate to pick a fight here but I'm agreeing with you on everything except your claim that the umpire's warnings were only directed at Oxford, which is, objectively, not the case. You are quite right that the decisive clash was the fault of the Oxford cox, and you are quite right in your explanations of the tide, and I think the commentators also did an usually good job of explaining that too. Clearly the crews are keen to grab the best of the tide, as you explained, and generally you'd expect the crew on the outside to be the one doing the nudging.
So if I still haven't answered your question, apologies but I just haven't understood.
Oxford and Cambridge elitist? Surely not!
Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)
Why do the BBC waste their time showing this elitist trash. Why is this contest only open to two teams from two universities. Face it, the only reason anyone took any notice this year was because of the protester and because of the complete cock ups that followed. How about showing a contest that is open to all rowers.
In these austere times they should combine the boat race and the Grand National.
A Grand National Boat Race. A boat race between two increasingly inbred teams of thoroughbred horses rowing on the Thames. I for one would be sure to Tivo it.
RICKSTER wrote (see)
The boat race is a British tradition. Something that the EU can't take away from us.
Ooo - so close to Godwin's Law.
Now this is much more like it. Why don't the BBC televise this?!