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I'm looking into whether the course run was the measured route.
I am not using them to establish the length. I'm trying to gather evidence. The more evidence I get the more informed discussion I can have. Garmins are just 1 of a number of avenues I am pusuing.
Garmin won't pick up whether someone was on the left or right of the road, but it will pick up whether they missed out the sort of distances being muted.
I do not believe this is the place to talk about any decisions that may be taken from either a course measurement or licencing perspective so I will not be drawn on here
Brian - nice response.
Did wonder as a cumbrian whether you would post:
Ad montes oculos levavi
http://www.sportsystems.co.uk/ss/results/Hull Marathon/906
has the other lady who "finished in front of hilly" been removed or what?
Jamesito - your 're right not good news as the Hull Marathon is down as short for everyone. I feel angry at the organiser as he lied to us basically! He did not tell us before the race that the course had been altered and when discovered lied further saying it had be remeasuered! Had he told us before the race and it's obvious he knew, then we could have made the decision to run it without a certificate of accuracy or being offered a refund to run a different marathon. I would have taken a refund and run a certified marathon!
Hi goldbeetle - I did win so I should be down as first. That much they shouldn't take away from me! Although on PO10 they have put the lady down as 1st, which is wrong in my eyes! But I know I won and I ran the full course as it was on the day with a time I'm very capable of. Oh well life's too short to get too worked up over it eh, so back to the training and onto the autumn marathon goal
Following the final risk assessment ahead of the race a change was made to the route to protect the safety of runners, this change was both unavoidable and none negotiable. A further minor adjustment to the course was then made to ensure the correct distance of 26.2 miles was completed by all runners.
Why am I dubious? It hasn't been mentioned before, and is only being offered as a reason now they have been found out. Any clue as to where the extra was? No conspiracy, just cock up. How do we ensure that we have a Hull marathon next year, and this company is not involved?
Fwiw I have only ever measured races as long on a garmin, never spot on or short, but understand why garmins are inaccurate, I got 26.02 (see here http://connect.garmin.com/dashboard?cid=5263688) and I knew from my pace i was touch and go for sub 3, bit surprised to get 2:57!
That 'distance statement' takes the biscuit.
I'm not surprised the changes were non-negotiable....nobody knew about them so how would they be able to 'negotiate' them? And I suspect that includes Karl Jackson.
There seems to be an attempt to 'back fill' a story to try to justify what happened. The most logical reason for the changes was simply a cock up due to a) not having enough marshalls and b) not providing anything like adequate instructions to those marshalls that did turn out.
When I said to him mid afternoon that I didnt fancy being in his shoes re the 1st Lady situation he said that if that turned out to be all that he had to worry about he'd have had a good day. Perhaps he knew what was coming.........
If they were so worried about public safety, perhaps they could have ensured that marshals were in place at dangerous junctions BEFORE the runners went through. Not only did they not stick to the Certificate of Accuracy and measured course, but they also didn't stick to what they had promised in the Risk Assessment.
Perhaps runners would have a case to demand a refund because of Breach of Contract?
When you consider that Hilly has been deprived of a UK No.1 ranking, hasnt received her promised 'prize and trophy' and isnt even listed as the winner of the race (whatever the distance) you have to wonder just what a legal mind would make of this.
I had no part in this race. Just wanted to express my sympathies to all of you who must have worked so hard to achieve your goals, only to be shafted by the organiser.
It is an utter disgrace and i hope this company and those responsible are never involved in an event again
I agree Chris. Also time to involve the sponsors, who seem to be a high class jewellers in the city centre. I'm sure the `Hugh Rice Jewellers Hull Marathon' could do without the bad press associated with their name,
Drifter - my view is that the time is now ideal for local clubs to approach the council with a view to staging the event on the same terms as this one, but with exemplary organisation.
Drifter, we reckon 300m at most it was short, but that's still short! We measured all the bits added on and the park loop and without being totally accurate it was about that.
It's the lies that get me!
I feel especially sorry for all those runners who did this as their first marathon, got a pb or a qualifying time for London!
He'll sort it out!
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Hull-Marathon-certificate-accuracy-withdrawn-race/story-15849035-detail/story.html
My understanding is that there will be a fuller report in tomorrow's Hull Daily Mail
Peter - if you hear anything through your local knowledge, could you share it with interested parties from out of the area?
I fully agree with the refund point. This was to have been Hilly and I's only marathon this year, and I thought `job done' for the sub 2:45 qualifying time. Even had the extra 300-400m been included I would still have been inside that but now it's gone. We've had to enter an autumn marathon in order to try and get a legitimate time. Fortunately it looks like a good one with further incentives for runners of a decent standard. However, it's still £80 between us plus travel / accomodation etc.
I have heard that some runners who were denied legitimate times through the 2008 Blackpool Marathon being short were allowed to enter the VLM championship as their times were far enough inside to indicate they would have probably broken 2:45. I hope that is the case again...