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TD those scales sound a bit scary... Too much information for me, I think! Although I am curious to know % body fat.
No tanlines for me besides a slightly pink nose - that'll be the long sleeves!
Really, The E?
Thread hats, all round!
MM - I guess you're getting the benefit from the other electrolytes... Magnesium supplements often make my patients have side effects that ensure we go running for the... Bristol stool chart!
Glad you're doing ok.
TD - sorry to go back to this but I re-read it and I see what Pottermoss is saying. If you have 400g to start and add 175g during the run that makes 575g. If you then use 700g are you not 125g down still?
TD - could you try and explain again? Slowly...
Where's ATM when we need her? I have heard that. Thankfully, it's less problematic for my digestion than the gels...Uggggh
KS: Once you know the percentage, you can't un-know it! I prefer wilful ignorance...
Just doing some work to collate the hotels reviews...Looking at the website for the hotel The Engineer recommended. The description sounds like it's been written by Swiss Tony!
"Feel the soft embrace of Sofitel Paris La Défense, an urban cocoon in Europe's largest business district. Feel a passion for contemporary arts, from Jean-Philippe Nuel's sophisticated designs to stunning original art."for all you guys wondering what your ideal running weight is. In the Jan 2013 issue of RW (you know that magazine on running) there's an article on Your perfect running weight. Can't find it online but there's two different calculation methods:
Method A)
Step 1: calculate your baseline. Boys = 110lb for first 5 ft + 5 lb per additional inch, Girls = 100lb for first 5 ft + 5.5 lb for each additional inch
Step 2: work out your frame size. Boys (all heights) wrist size = 5.5-6.5 in - small, 6.5-7.5 - Medium, over 7.5 - large. Girls (under 5 ft 2 in) under 5.5 - small, 5.5-5.75 - med, over 5.75 - large; 5 ft 2 to 5 ft 5: under 6 - small, 6-6.25 - med, over 6.25 - large; over 5 ft 5: under 6.25 - small, 6.25-6.5 - med, over 6.5 - large.
Step 3: small frame = base weight - 10lb, med frame = base weight, large frame = base weight + 10lb
Method
Step 1) get out the scary scales or some calipers
and establish your current body fat
Step 2) calculate your body fat: current weight x current body fat (from step 1)
Step 3) calculate your current lean body mass: Current weight - body fat (from step 2)
Step 4) calculate target lean body mass: 1.00-target body fat % (decimal)
Step 5) Calculate your ideal running weight based on body composition: Step 3 result / step 4 result
SIMPLES!
The sad reality of my friday night. Tomorrow will be the amazing diversion of work so have to be good tonight, and you guys wonder why I go a bit crazy after a marathon. All work and no play...makes for very messy when I do
(whoops, Pity party for 1, pity party for 1, calling pity party for 1
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Hotel Sofitel la Defense. Perhaps the Engineer could tell us whether staying there was like making love to a beautiful woman...
That's me tucked up at home safely after going by tesco on way home and buying so much that getting it and suitcases plus kids in car was 'interesting'!
Second load of washing now on too.
Geek mode- I have now looked at splits for Sundays run, and I don't know what I was doing.........my last 3 miles were the fasted all at 8.36mm....... Counting in my head obviously gets me into some kinda rhythm?!?
First post mara run planned for KOC.......
http://www.valleystriders.org.uk/calcmar1.htm
I will look at a few examples which worked, eg TJB, know his fuel in take, his time, imagine he finished with 125g. Find out how many grams burnt/hour.
According to MJ I'd need to be 9st 7lb Kaz. I'm currently 12st 12lb! To get to that level I'd need to lose a good chunk of lean mass as well as almost all fat.
www.myfitnesspal.com is where the action is at
Maus - good to hear you're doing okay
Gels -never had any problems with taking them , always take them with water to wash them down
Tried lucozade energy tabs on a few long slow runs shortly before the marathon with almost devastating consequences (think trying to run while doing ur best penguin impersonation )
TD - please don't apologise, I'm really grateful for the info (I'm sure everyone else is too). Thanks again.
Gels...for Paris I took one 30 minutes before then every 20 minutes after start, SIS, 3 of which were the caffeine ones. + some powerbar jelly things to give something to chew on. + I reckon a whole banana over the course and some sugar lumps...felt like a horse....it all seemed to keep me going...
First run since Paris tomorrow, see if foot ok for VLM. Might see you there Eggy
I think there's a definite mis-match for 'real world' runners but that's it s a decent theoretical guide. The author was a contemporary of Roger Bannister and was/is well regarded for his collation of training stats over many years and his training of runners from these.
For me it would have a par weight of 9st 7lb - 2 stone lighter than any point in my adult life, even when 30 waist jeans were pretty lose - but that'd still be in a healthy BMI range.
The challenge is that I'd need to lose around 20-25lb of muscle as well as taking body fat down to 6-7% in order to get there and that's neither desireable nor achieveable for me, though might be quite reasonable for a natural ectomorph of the same height.
It also relates to a par time of 2:41 which seems equally fantastical.
However, if I look at what seems a just about feasible weight for me of 10st 7lb and move up from the par time accordingly, I suspect it could be very accurate as a predictor of potential if all the other criteria were met.
Just checked Haillie's stats - he works out bang on the par weight, but he's the natural ectomorph elite rather than the real world runner!
RR - yes, I agree with Rob about the mismatch thing. That info is working on the assumption that you'd make any sacrifice to run faster. That probably accounts for less than 0.1% of competitive runners I reckon. I know I like to compete and be fast, but my wife prefers me to look lean and muscular, not skeletal and gaunt and I think I can speak on behalf of many men to say that the bony look in women doesn't come close to a few lovely curves - I reckon Swiss Tony would be with me on that one!
I think if I was around 10% BF then that's OK. I've been lower but it absolutely is not a target.
Lovely day everyone - am going off to do a sportif bike ride later and might even try a HM+ distance tmrw. In warm weather!!
Going by that formula DLR, I would need to get back to what I was 4 and a half years ago, and that road is closed as would be all running! I wouldn't rather be fat but the goalposts are somewhat different now....... And I had no wobbly belly today! 10k done nice and easy.
My dog hurt his leg last weekend apparently, and apart from never telling me, BF hasn't taken him to vet either......he is still lame so another job for today, but the vet is only open for 1.5 hrs and getting an appointment is like gold dust.