TriStar Monaco Relay Request

Would anyone here be interested in doing the 10 km run section of a relay Triathlon in Monaco (specifically, the TriStar Monaco 111.1 on September 2nd)? I am part of a triathlon relay team whose runner has dropped out due to unforeseen difficulties. We are looking to finish the race rather than break any particular records, so both slow and fast runners would be acceptable.

 

Thank you in advance. 

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  • Funny I had a similar thought KK, but I did the last injured runner team relay stand in, so it must be your turn!
  • Was just thinking I hadn't anything on that weekend

  • I will run just a little bit faster than KK if you pay for my flight and accommodation imageimage

  • If it had been last year, we were there on holiday and watched the race

  • Gastank, I can see the logic in that thinkingimage

     

    sarah the bookworm, thank you for the offer. I'm not terribly worried about finishing time as long as they're not going to be ridiculously slow, fall to bits before the 10K is done or be slow in responding (the deadlines for getting this sorted are a bit tight). If the negotiations with kittenkat fall through, I'll ask you (she gets first refusal because she offered first).

     

    Dave The Ex-Spartan, that's great! How did you find it? Any information would be useful, given that this will only be my 2nd triathlon relay image 

  • Just need to check if I can get the private jet to get me there, then I'll stay on my yacht that's in Monaco harbour image I'll get back to you ASAP.
  • I said we watched it
  • So you going KK?
  • ...or if my team doesn't collapse on me - which it just has image I can't do a triathlon relay without a cyclist. The cyclist who just dropped out pointed out, in retrospect correctly, that getting a medical done with this notice is unlikely to be practical for said cyclist. So the entire trip has been aborted. Sorry image

  • Easy enough to get a medical certificate. Looks more like you are just after excuses
  • and if you're members of BTF you don't need a med cert to race triathlon in France - you're covered under ITU member federation rules

    or just forge a med cert if not a BTF member - many do that each year to race in France - it never gets checked.  as long as it's official looking you're good to go.

  • And no doctors I know would ever give you a med cert to say you won't die doing exercise



    (wonder what Suzie is going to do for the Paris marathon next year ?)
  • fat buddha, I'm not a member of BTF, neither was my cyclist, and neither of us knew that could get us out of the medical certificate requirement...

  • Dave The Ex-Spartan, the requirement doesn't say the certificate has to say the recipient won't die, only that the medical authority believes the recipient is capable of the activity specified at the top of the .

     

    I would have had a medical in time, but you can't have a relay with one member (and if the member in question can't cycle or run in the requested timeframe and knows it, entering as a soloist would be pointless).

  • PC - perhaps BTF membership is something to consider for the future then if you plan to race tris overseas.  many of us have done continental IM races and not needed to go through the faff of med certs to race them.   but that only goes for triathlon - if you want to do a stand alone run race in France, then you need a med cert as the BTF membership doesn't cover thesens.

  • I know what the medical certificate has to say. And I don't know a doctor who would sign such a certificate
  • It's supposed to say you are fit to undertaken the proposed activity. How on earth any doctor can test or examine you and give an assurance that you are fit I don't know
  • The implied assumption, as with any medical certificates that doesn't specify otherwise, is that the doctor will be accurate to the best of his or her knowledge, at least to the extent that a court would not find the doctor to have been acting against their knowledge or reasonable belief.

     

    Adding all that to the end of the form would make it twice as long and would probably be a crime against common sense and grammar, so the organisers of such events tend to assume that the doctors know they mean "to the best of their knowledge and such that a court would not think such a statement false or recklessly negligent" rather than spell all that out.

     

    As to how the doctor makes that assessment, they look at your history, your family history (if known and relevant) and call you in for some basic tests of things like resting heart rate and blood pressure. Some organisations and sports require other information such as an EKG scan or stress test (international-level motorsport's an example; don't know if anywhere in triathlon demands this), and in that case the doctor specifies a longer appointment to ensure such testing is done. It also requires more equipment than the standard tests, so are not always possible to do in the GP's office. There may have to be recourse to a shared facility between several GPs or an appointment at a suitable nearby centre.

     

    Some conditions, along with adverse results on any test the doctor deems appropriate for your circumstances, will either cause the doctor to refuse the certificate or specify conditions. If the latter happens, any certificate is valid only if you follow doctor's orders (said orders are very unlikely to be put on the certificate itself but may be recorded separately for your own reference). Technically, it is possible to get a "second opinion" if your own doctor refuses to certify you and the organisers don't insist your own doctor must provide the certificate.

  • I have an international Motorsport licence and am more than happy to jump through all the hoops that requires, the guidelines and tests are very specific and detailed



    The certificate for running or tri in France aren't an that's where all the doctors I know have an issue



    Just forge it like everyone else
  • I've had to get a certificate from my doctor for Paris and Rome marathons.  All they've done is relieve me of £15 to sign the form I've put in front of them!  It's a right con in this country!  So all your cyclist would have to do PC is to visit his/her doctor with the form (downloaded from the website) and get it signed then either fasx it off or take it along to registration.  It's not hard!  

    Sorry but +1 for what DtXS says!!  Looks like your cyclist was looking for a way out!

  • At a country-wide well known flying club we get medicaled annually, in great depth. Some years ago they decided this wasn't enough, and now our own quack has to forward records in time for the annual med.

    In the past I'd had a Dr take one look at me, and decide I was fit as I was young!

  • Prince Siegfried, you do realise it took me over 2 weeks to get the GP to let me visit? And that was with a fairly co-operative GP?

     

    As for the idea of forging a medical certificate, I find that completely unacceptable and contrary to the point of one, which is to act as a check (flimsy as it may be) to ensure people are not going to try something utterly stupid. You do realise that travel insurance is invalid for anyone who relies on a forgery to get into a triathlon (as forgery is considered a criminal act and the entry would have relied on that forgery)? So if someone entering on a forgery got injured in the process of the race to the point of needing off-site treatment, they'd end up having to pay the whole thing themselves? Maybe the organisers might not be too worried about spotting forgeries, but the hospitals and insurance companies have people who are paid to do that sort of thing...

     

    (Besides, I haven't seen my current doctor's signature because the last time I visited my doctor - 14 years ago - it was the previous one before he retired!) 

  • PC, I'm by no means suggesting you, or your cyclist, forge the medical certificate.  But this isn't something that has crept up on any of you is it?  It is something you've thought about for at least a few weeks, if not months?  The entry requirements for all these European events are quite clear, from the start.  So the idea of getting a medical certificate from your (or the cyclists') doctor wasn't something new, surely?

    How hard is it to approach your (the cyclists') doctor, or even receptionist, and get them (the Doctor) to sign the form?  Even if they have to look at the medical records it's not a deal breaker, surely?  The fact that they (the cyclist) originally agreed to take on the 'challenge' must mean they were reasonable fit enough to take part, no?

    I know getting to see my doctor is a pain in the arse.  But if I visit the surgery, in person, with the form, I know it will be signed within a couple of days!  

    It's not rocket science!

  • Your travel insurance won't cover you for racing in a triathlon anyway
  • Oh and I doubt the person che king your certificate has seen your docs signature.



    Just a cop out
  • Dave the Ex-Spartan, many travel insurances cover non-professional triathlons, including some surprisingly cheap ones (though some limit the distance they will cover). Even the professional variety is covered by a handful of specialist covers. Yes, they cost a bit more, but they cost a lot less than getting an injury not covered on insurance or EHIC. It's a question of checking the small print, but there is quite a lot of choice.

     

    The person checking the certificate at the triathlon won't have seen my doctor's certificate, but I would expect the insurance company, at the very least, to find that out (and, for that matter, whether the doctor mentioned on the document had seen and agreed with it) if there's a claim that hinged upon such a certificate. That would be just common sense.

     

    Short version: it's a lot easier for people to consider themselves justified in taking the kind of risk Dave The Ex-Spartan proposes when they know their team-mates won't suffer for it on account of not having any on their particular race entry. 

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