London Marathon Ballot system is a joke.

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  • stutyr wrote (see)

    Exiled claret, they already have a system that gives places to runners who have completed a marathon in the last 24 months.  The only caveat is that they have completed the previous marathon in under a certain time.  Thats the "Good For Age" system.

    yes, but he was meaning for them to even be allowed into the ballot they should have completed a marathon (time doesn't have to be GFA)

  • Why shouldn't London be someone's "one and only"? image

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    Dobster wrote (see)

    People keep telling me that the LM is hard to get into.  I applied for the first time this year, not through the ballot, I applied through a charity and have just been offered a place.  I'm sure people won;t be happy to hear that but it seems to me that it's the luck of the draw?

    That's not the luck of the draw, that's being willing to raise a shed-load of cash for a charity.  Most people willing to do that can get a charity place.

    The draw (ballot) is for those who are not willing to do so, and would like to get a place just by paying the entry fee. The odds on that are about 5 to 1.

  • *raises hand* I'm in camp B. image

  • skotty - I ran my first marathon 6 weeks ago.  I didn't enter a race, I just trained and ran it in my own time.  I did this to make sure I could run the distance before I entered an official race.  So according to any officials I haven't run a race in the last 3 and a half years ago.  Yet I am a serious regular runner.  I feel my place in the LM is justified and I know I will train hard for it. I am sad for people who didn't get it but everyone should have the chance to run in whatever race they choose.

    Good luck to all those who have a place and I wish even better luck to those who have missed out, I hope you are lucky next time. image

  • Wilkie - Fair point, maybe if people are so desperate to run it they could speak to a charity.  It's a win win situation.  They get to run the race they want and also raise money for a good cause at the same time image

  • Who agrees then that complaining about the ballot is the same as buying a lottery ticket and bemoaning that Maurice and Enid from Doncaster won and you didn't?image

  • Dobster wrote (see)

    skotty - I ran my first marathon 6 weeks ago.  I didn't enter a race, I just trained and ran it in my own time.  I did this to make sure I could run the distance before I entered an official race.  So according to any officials I haven't run a race in the last 3 and a half years ago.  Yet I am a serious regular runner.  I feel my place in the LM is justified and I know I will train hard for it. I am sad for people who didn't get it but everyone should have the chance to run in whatever race they choose.

    Good luck to all those who have a place and I wish even better luck to those who have missed out, I hope you are lucky next time. image

    good luck.

    i wasn't complaining or suggesting people have to run a marathon beforehand, only expanding on someone else's point.

    as i said, runners can complain about it but i don't see too much for the organisers of the race to be unhappy about.

  • Thanks skotty!

  • IMHO I think the worst thing they have done is do away with the guaranteed place after 4 rejections, I don't understand the logic behind that, unless they want people to give up trying, which doesn't make sense either :S

    On a plus note, I've managed to get in through the ballot twice in two ballot entries, 2011 deferred to 2012, and then also accepted for 2013. 

  • Just train harder and get a GFA?! Ha ha!

  • Rod Wallace wrote (see)

    Its the 20th century, all the checks could be done automatically by a software app.

    Like someone said, its a fancy dress event, if they keep making it more and more difficult for club runners to enter then they'll stop trying and the race will be the big loser.

    If it's such a non serious race, a "fancy dress event", why do you even want to be involved as a "club runner".

    You have 2 good routes in. Sponsorship, which is a couple of grand, surely doable if you have an average circle of associates/friends/fellow runners etc, or like everyone has says, Good For Age.

    Don't get Good for Age mixed up with a championship start. Isn't it 3:15 v 2:45?

    One is definitely doable, and one takes talent and dedication.

    Get out there and qualify.

    As for your moan about celebs.

    Have you ever thought that these celebs may just have more capability to attract sponsorship than yourself?

  • Totally agree with you! Its a waste of time. I  have entered twice and get the same response. I think charities get greedy too with the amount they set for you to raise. Its a money making exercise- the marathon. But it would be a race Id like to run.

    I love how edinburgh just work on a fcfs basis...

  • I'm also sure that there is scope for more places to be made available for those with slightly faster times. There is a huge bulge of runners going through at 4:00-4:30 pace. If the roads can cope with them then, there is surely an opportunity to offer a few more places with those expecting to run around 3:30.

  • I ran the LM 3 years ago for a charity after missing out through the ballot. If it's on the bucket list so to speak than there are options. Whilst you have to raise money which is a significant amount ( of course times have changed since I ran and the amounts are less) you achieve your goal and help some people out on the way.
  • It makes me smile when I see people moan because they donated their entry fee if unsuccessful, and it was actually taken when they are unsuccessful.  I think they must have confused "donation" with "bribe".

     

  • Tenjiso, I'm not moaning that they take my entry fee when I have said that I'm happy to donate it, I moaning that they send out a top that is the wrong size from the one you specified. And lets not make any mistake, its not a free top, you dont get anything free from the LM, I have paid for that top  with my entry fee.

    As for running a GFA time, trust me, I have been trying. I thought I was in with a good chance this year but injury again scuppered that. But I'll keep at it.

    A charity place would be an option, but when you have raised money for charities before it is hard to go and ask the same people to dig deep again and again.

    I have a chance through my running club, so fingers crossed there.

    I just find the whole ballot thing has become a joke. VLM dont make as much money on ballot places, compared to the money they can make through charities.

    People on here have talked about having a 1 in 5 chance of getting in through the ballot. Where to those figures come from?

    The total of runners is what 35,000. Yet they allocation of guarenteed charity places is close to 20, 000.

    There are about 1500 running clubs in the UK, all of which get 2/3 entries. So lets say that is 4000.

    GFA runners make up another couple of thousand.

    So now there are 120 000 people trying to get fewer than 9 thousand places.

    And every year they sell more and more charity places.

    It not only discriminates against the ballt entries, but also the smaller charities that cant get on the "golden bond" list.

  • Don't forget all the deferred entries!

  • the fact is that there are not enough places so not everyone can do it .....people act is they have a godam right to take part..............if you want to that much organise your own london marathon.........

    its the fancy dress runners that make it what it is .........the crowds wouldn't come out in such numbers to watch a pile of average/ crap club runners take part.they enjoy watching the elite.but that is over with very quickly........and then they like to see the famncy dress and the unusual............the girl who hula hooped it all......or the celebs.and they like to see the everyday people who are doing it and are suffering badly but keep on going so that they can raise money for a charity that means something to them.......

    its only a race......why do you want to do it.because of the atmosphere of the crowds............but its not you or me the crowds come to watch is it..........

    so run faster or just do your own thing if you think you can organise it better and fairer................

  • Agree with Stevie G. If you are that desperate to tick London off your list, try and run a GFA somewhere else. If not the charity route is do-able given that you have over 6 months to raise a couple of grand.



    Have been lucky to get a place this year and am going for a GFA time so that I can run it again image Is it easier for women to get in? Just ask as both my sister and I got places through the ballot on first attempt! My dad did second ever London marathon when there was no ballot!



    I think it's normal that charities are asking people to raise more now, surely it's supply and demand. As the event gets more popular why not get people to raise more? Also for the smaller ones, if the one runner they have raises a large amount, then that charity will be more likely to be allocated a place the next year. This is the only reason there are so many celeb runners, they tend to be able to raise more for charities than us normal folk. They also help bring publicity to he event which any sponsor would want.
  • Just close your eyes, clench your fists, stamp one foot after another and yell at the top of your voice 'SNOT FAIR! SNOT FAIR! SNOT FAIR!'  If enough of us do it simultaneously then I'm sure the organisers - will not take note.

  • MillsyMillsy ✭✭✭
    If you get GFA then they have to let you in. That's what I did. That'll learn them!
  • Yep ballot system is flawed, GFA was fine when I was 40 but running sub 3-15 at 55 is unlikely for me, I enter every year and have succeeded once in 12 years BUT what the heck there are may far far better marathons out there so just do one of those. I the main reason I enter every year is so that should I succeed I can meet up with all my friends afterwards in the pub without feeling guilty that I haven't run a marathon that day. LM is what it is, live with it

  • The London GFA will follow the others, New York GFA for 40+ men is 2hrs 50mins.

  • You obviously do not agree with the way VLM is organised, and think it is just a fancy dress event, so why do you want to get in?  If you object that much enter another marathon.

    Without the charity runners and the celebs there would be no big sponsor, no crowds, no TV coverage and it would just be another race.

  • It is just another race.

  • I'm pretty sure the GFA is just a mechanism to tweak the balance of competitors.  It has been discussed before how the GFA times are biased aganst 50+ men, so it has little bearing on the relative merits of performance for age/sex.

    The 1:5 or 1:6 chance of getting in seems about right to me, since this was my fifth attempt and I got in at last image.  Now I have a decision to make, because I have already booked Brighton for 2013.  No rush to make that decision.

    Anyway, the entry system is what it is and we all know that when we enter, so there's no point bitching about it afterwards.  The organisers are obviously doing something right to get people clammering to enter, raking in huge amounts for charity and getting five hours solid television coverage on the BBC.  They don't know me, so I've no doubt that they didn't mean it as a personal insult when they rejected me for four years.

  • avit wrote (see)

    ... I think charities get greedy too with the amount they set for you to raise. Its a money making exercise- the marathon. ...

    Greedy charities!  How DARE they try to raise the maximum amount they possibly can for their causes!  Bastards!

  • Wilkie wrote (see)
    avit wrote (see)

    ... I think charities get greedy too with the amount they set for you to raise. Its a money making exercise- the marathon. ...

    Greedy charities!  How DARE they try to raise the maximum amount they possibly can for their causes!  Bastards!

    lol............real runners should get preference over those who ae willing to spend hours raising money for the charitiesimage

  • *Hands sponsorship form over to Wilkie and smiles sweetly*

    Only joking - as if I'd be mad enough to take a charity place. image

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