Peroneus Longus

Until today I didn’t even know I owned such a thing, let alone the discomfort it could cause if it was tight.  Over and above sports massage and liberal application of deep heat, does anyone know a suitable course of treatment / likely period of rest / general tips, to get rid of the bloody thing?

Thanks.

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  • Stretch it as if doing an Achilles stretch put turn your foot onto its side until you feel it stretch. 3x15secs three times a day. Often it will just disappear like that. If its only mild pain, I usually run through it.
  • ditto what nellyb said although i have found it easier to sit down, put the offending ankle on the other knee, and pull the base of the foot gently towards you

     

     

  • Interesting, thanks.  My pain is localised to the knee area.  I'd previously self-diagnosed the issue to be ITBS and worked for a week to fix that.  Sports masseuse tells me otherwise.

    Very tight (and this morning as a result of massage, painful) below knee on outside of lower leg.

    Are the same stretches still suitable?

  • i would have thought so

  • theres a very helpful website here that shows you what muscles do what action

    http://www.getbodysmart.com/ap/muscularsystem/menu/menu.html

    also just thought, i think peroneus longus pain tends to be towards the ankle (although i could be wrong).
    it may be something to do with one of your calf muscles (Gastrocnemius), look at lateral leg pain on this site http://www.triggerpoints.net/leg-ankle-foot.htm

  • Right,  I've cribbed below pic from US Runners World website where same issue was discussed back in 2010 and no resolution found.

    Star is location of the ache and the arrows indicate where it's tender / painful to touch:

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    I can ping about the place without issue; up / down stairs and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, sometime when static, the ache presents itself.  I've stretched everything and foam rollered IT but the issue seems only to hide for a short while.

    I want to avoid taking a hack saw to leg out of frustatioin.  Any clues / leads most welcome!

     

  • When you say you have "foam rollered IT" by IT do you mean your IT Band or the muscle you indicated?

  • MM ... calf, soleus, ham, quad and gleuts being stretched twice daily. IT and now piriformis being foam rollered and I've recently found on t'internet a video on how to stretch the peroneus longus.

    The knee ache seems to have subsided somewhat, although it occasionally produces cracking/snapping noise suggesting something is still awry and tenderness at top of peroneus longus (directly below knee) remains ever-present.

  • maybe just a case of time, gentle stretching, ice & massage.

    I have problems with mine last year, but it was at the other end by the ankle and took 2-3 weeks before it was anywhere near better (using lots of the above!)

    I use zero drop shoes and had to switch to shoes with more built up heels until it was recovered so as not to overstretch it.

     

  • It's a real b*gger.  I tend not to eat particularly healthily, which running / triathlon training tends to counterbalance, however, forced rest combined with the associated "blues" isn't fun.

    Regardless, thanks for contribution.  I shall continue to hope that the peroneus longus messiah might still appear.

  • no i didnt rest either (oops), but continued to hobble and limp my way through the training i was doing at the time image

  • Hi proven robbie W I know this post goes back a long way but would be interested to know how it all turned .out as I have the same problem cheers Eric
  • Hi, I also have the same issue and would be interested to hear how it turned out for you. 

  • Hi Laura this has been a nightmare I have not had a proper run for 7 mth .iI have seen 3 different sport physio

    .most thought it was tendonitus 3 mth treatment no improvement. Next thought to be muscle problem deep tissue massage still no improvement .i have now had back treatment which fingers x seems to be helping .i really hope you are more successful than i have been .my mistake was not to rest it long enough at the beginning .please rest to give it time to repair .i have had a very deppressive 7 mth let me know your symptoms. I found stretching made it worse . Good luck
  • No point at all stretching it, if you don't know why it's tight in the first place. Most bodily things get tight as a protective mechanism. You don't want to physically stretch out your protection......

    Ignore the diagnosis, find out why.

  • I suffered with it in my left leg last year from January to May. I managed to run a bit within that time but no more than 5k distances. From May onwards it's been fine but now I've got the same pain in my right leg! It's so frustrating. I've had physio both times - around 7 sessions last year . He did massages and accupuncture and recommended the foam roller. To be honest I don't know whether those sessions helped at all, I think it was ultimately the back step from running that helped. I'm seeing a different physio now for the right leg and he has advised me to do strength exercises for my legs and glutes as he thinks it's a muscle imbalance or poor biomechanics. i feel bad for you Eric as it sounds as though you have suffered with it worse than me. I just hope my right leg clears up like my left did! Definitely rest is key - I continued to run through the pain last year and it just got a whole lot worse and would hurt every day constantly.
  • Laura have you had mri scan .The problem if it's tendinitis and not sorted it becomes tendonisis which is a chronic non inflammatory condition which is hard to solve .This is my first injury in 30 yrs and never realised how bigger part of my life running is .I am going to try a mile tomorrow and build it up gradually .If u act sensible your b ok .The problem is you get so much conflicting advice .gp says to keep running.physio say rest !! Do you get pain when u run or after mine tended to get worse after
  • I have not had a MRI. Neither physio ive seen has mentioned that. I have done lots of reading and you are right - everyone says something conflicting! I am hopeful that the strength training exercises will help me. Mine hurts after running - usually starts to hurt a couple hours afterwards. At its worst it would hurt every day and would get remarkably worse as soon as I started running.
  • What are the strength exercises your doing and how many times a day do you do them thanks
  • Hi would lovecto know an solutions, my injury sounds very similar and the pic above shows exactly where the pain is. I can run for about 3.5 miles before 'bang' it explodes in pain and i cannot run through it. I'm so frustrated as all I want to do is run!

  • Hi Louise as a runner you probably don't want to hear this that horrible word rest .I didn't and now not run for 7 mth. It does sound like peronial tendon problem .How long have you had problem .see a good physio before it turns into a chronic condition.i know how you feel I have Been so depressed running is my life .good luck
  • Rest ....... Word from hell!



    Honestly this is s problem that dates back almost 2 years. However this last episode with is enough to stop me running completely is since a marathon back in September.



    How do you know when it is healed enough to run?
  • As much as you'd prefer not to, the best solution I can provide is to take a break from running, especially since peroneal tendon injuries have a tendency to turn particularly nasty if they're not afforded sufficient R&R. 

    Eric, I'm sorry to hear that you continue to remain troubled by your peroneals.  I hope that you eventually find a solution. 

    While peroneal tendon injuries don't necessarily prevent you from cross-training, Louise, running is definitely best avoided during your recovery, in order to reduce the accumulation of scar tissue within the tendon. 

    In addition to wholly understanding your sense of frustration, I also appreciate the reasons behind why you seek a quick solution to your current problem, Louise.  Sadly, peroneal tendon injuries can take months to repair, especially if you’ve attempted to continually run through the pain and discomfort. 

    Exactly a year ago, after landing awkwardly upon the outer edge of my right foot, I was under-going treatment for an acute injury to the area of the peroneal tendon beneath the ankle. 

    During my four month period of rehabilitation, I underwent a course of manipulation designed to break up the scar tissue that had accumulated.  However, it took around 2 months of regular manipulation (both painful and ticklish in equal measure) before I began to see any improvement. 

    Since the tendon initially failed to respond to treatment, the suggestion of an air-cast (to completely immobilise my foot/tendon) and surgery (to cut away part of the injured tendon) were options considered by my physio.  As I’ve said, depending upon the degree of damage, peroneal tendon injuries can turn nasty. 

    Thankfully, the options considered weren’t needed, as the tendon eventually responded to manipulation.  However, during my period of rehabilitation, the location of the injury prevented me from performing certain calf exercises in the gym.  For example, I could use the StairMaster without discomfort, but use of the calf-press machine left me feeling as though my tendon was ripping itself apart. 

    As such, the size and definition of my calves did somewhat suffer in late 2014.  However, I considered the larger picture, in addition to appreciating that I had to be patient and allow the tendon time to heal.   

    Thankfully, following a four month course of manipulation and a relatively subdued period of resistance work, twelve months on, I’d consider that my peroneal tendon has fully healed since I’m able to perform calf presses without discomfort, loading the tendon with even more weight than I was able to before the occurrence of the injury.   

    Taking into consideration the position in which you find yourself, Louise, I’d recommend that you continue with the course of strengthening exercises that you’ve been instructed to perform, in addition to easing off on the running. 

    It does take time for tendons to recover (a lot longer than we all have the patience for), but a few months of relative inactivity are better than enduring a life-time of chronic pain. 

  • Sorry for late reply - my Physio has said my peroneal muscles are being worked too hard because of the muscle imbalances in the rest of my leg. He says i do not have a tendon issue (yet). I also saw a podiatrist the other day who works alongside my Physio. They have said over pronation, very flexible ankles, weak glutes and stiff hips have all contributed to the problem! Exercises I've been given are clam shells (google it and there are videos), calf raises, and single leg squats. goes without saying that these will not work for everyone and you need to see a professional to find out the cause of the pain. Good luck!
  • My first post here - go easy on me haha.  Well the descriptions above sound pretty accurate for what I've got, which is a sharp pain just below the knuckle of bone on the outside of my left leg just below the knee.

    It's grumbled away for a while and got progressively worse over the last six weeks or so (I run 5k twice a week) .  At its worst I have to stop running and hobble a bit, especially going downhill.  I thought giving it a rest over xmas would help so I haven't run for a fortnight, but then on going for a speedy walk yesterday the pain was worse than ever and that was just walking.  So much for giving it some rest!

    What's also odd is that it goes away just as easily as it comes on.  I had a two week period recently when I didn't feel it at all.  Even after a run it can just disappear, despite being really painful when walking/running just half an hour earlier.

    I'm off to a sports physio next week so happy to put on here what I find out, or not!  Starting to wonder if I'd be better off cycling and swimming at least in the short term (am I allowed to say that on here haha).

    Thoughts?!!?!?  Thank you.

  • Hi Justin mine fairly similar except I get throbbing pain same area after I run .This has been going on for 7 mth. In the last 6 week ive started running again started at .2 now up to 2.6 miles will try a 5k park run new year day 1st for 7 mth !! When I finish my run I use the roller and stick then a strong massage .seems to work .I also do strengthening exercises suggested by Laura previous post which seems to help

    saw 3 physio wasn't much help for me except lighten my pocket though u might b more successful. Good luck.as you can see miserable git 1 getting there gradually thanks for your past advice
  • I had a problem with this a few years ago. Sports massage helped (was painful!). I also started massaging the peroneal muscles (and the calf muscles) every evening on days I'd run, and the following morning. Good luck with the physio.

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