What are 'good' PB's for club runners?

I was talking to an old friend at the weekend about his running. i know he's been keen on running for a good few years but when he told me his PB's i hadn't realised how quick he actually is / was. Certainly they are far away from anything i could get near to or even dream of in truth.  From memory they were something like:

5K - sun 16min

10K - sub 33min

10M - 52mins

1/2M - 69mins

He is 40 now and admits to "slowing down a bit" but it got me thinking what kind of percentage of local club runners would be at this level? Given i know very little about club running and am a novice to running, generally speaking would there be a good few at each club that could match them?

 

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  • I agree. Those times are about 'good local / regional' rather than club standard. 

  • Interesting set of PBs; he appears to favour the longer stuff.  I suppose your definition of 'good' is always going to be open to interpretation, but you're only ever likely to get a handful of runners at most in any club running those sorts of times.

    I've looked up my club's rankings for this year to see how many have reached those standards: 7 for 5k/5,000m - including me image, 6 for 10k - not me, but a target for next year- only 2 for HM, and none for 10 miles.  And I'd say we're in the top dozen or so clubs in the country according to things like road relays and national athletics leagues.

    Another way to look at it is to see where those times would get you in the national rankings for this year - according to runbritain:

    5k road - 422nd
    10k - 499th
    10 mile - 52:00 = 37th / 52:59 = 64th, but there aren't as many of those around
    HM - 69:00 = 100th / 69:59 = 157th

    And being 40 is no excuse.  I didn't run 15:55 for 5,000m till I hit 40.  image  I'd bloody love to be able to run his HM time though.

  • I agree with the above, no one at our club can run those times these days, we are a small but competitive club. I would use the national standards as a guide



    5k - 16:45

    5M - 28:00

    10k - 36:00

    10M - 58:00

    HM - 1:20:00

    20M - 2:05:00

    Mar - 3:00:00



    They made 10k, HM & mar a couple of years back, but these are the times that the top few at each club should be hitting
  • There are a few guys at my club who run times like those or faster - one of them just ran a 2:14 marathon! - but it's a big club and at the fast end of things they're a seriously competitive bunch. More realistic times for the members who race 10Ks are 35-38 mins for the guys and around 42 mins for the women.



    Of course there are loads of us rather slower than that too image
  • go on www.thepowerof10.info will bring up anyones time if they run for a club!

    A lad at our club for eg

    5k...............16.07

    10k..............33.09

    10m.............54.49

    1/2...............73.28

    He will be probably the best on show at our club and hes 4 mins behind your mates half marathon pace. Im sure they will be plenty fast lads around! (not me tho image)

     

  • these are the fast end of club times, in my view.  there are plenty of people in my club running at a much slower pace - i would say low 40s is the average 10k time for example. COMPETING for the club is another thing. the important thing is not to be put off by people being faster than you, not least because your times will improve rapidly now that you've joined a club. and it will be fun too!!

  • very true baldbloke!

    There is no chance i will ever be competing with the fast lads at the club but each time i cross a finish line i will have competed against myself and hopefully beat my last time! 

     

  • your friend is lying

  • i too detect signs of slight "exaggeration"...if he runs 33mins for 10k, he's bloody quick and should look like a whippet

  • hes running a better pace (min/mile) for half marathon than 10k but id didnt want to say anything I think the dude abides is less diplomatic than myself lolimage

  • Tut tut. So quick to assume lies and fakery.



    Perhaps his PBs are from different years, when he was focusing on different distances. Maybe he started off running shorter distances but as he improved he then moved on to the longer distances and didn't race at the shorter distances any more. I mean, when my 10K PB was something like 58 mins I ran a 1:50 half.



    Or maybe his HM PB is from years ago when he was younger and faster and he only took up running the shorter distances as he got older and 'slower'.



    Or maybe his friend who posted the query has just mis-remembered the times...



    I want to know if I'm a mug for giving him the benefit of the doubt. Please jd11, go look him up on powerof10 and let us know!
  • rwd - I'm with you on this one, I cant see any reason to suspect hes lying. The times are good but nothing unbelievable.

    Certainly if he ran those sort of times in the 80s or 90s he wouldnt have been lonely and in many clubs he wouldnt even have been an automatic A team member.

     

  • true rwd when u look at it that way I understand, Im new to the running scene so was just looking at the way i get times i know i get slower the further i run my bad image

  • Prf - I don't follow your logic - times haven't massively improved since the 90s ?

    I thought that times are generally a bit slower now compared to the 80s ?
  • Cougie - The comments were around where those sorts of times would put you in a typical club. Since it is entirely possible that he is talking about PBs that go back some way it is worth noting that clubs in general in the 80s and early 90s had greater strength at the faster end than they do now.

    My own club certainly wasnt one of the big clubs but it still had two sub 50:00 10 milers and probably 10 more between 50 and 55 minutes, so I didnt often get near the A team with 33:xx 10K and 55:xx 10 mile times.

    To give an indication based on London Marathon finishers, this is how 1985 compared to 2012:

    Sub 2:30:
    2012 - 55 Finishers
    1985 - 264 Finishers

    Sub 2:45:
    2012 - 364 Finishers
    1985 - 1,110 Finishers

    Sub 3:00:
    2012 - 1232 Finishers
    1985 - 2761 Finishers

    And the field in 1985 was about 12,000 smaller than in 2012 so I'm sure you'll agree there were significantly more faster end runners around to be spread amongst the various clubs.

  • Doh ! I read that as he would have been lonely !



    Those stats are amazing. No end of tech is any substitute for miles eh ?
  • Interesting stats parkrunfan.  Any real reason for this?  I'd never realised it before.

    Is it because folk are much fatter and lazier in general these days I wonder?

  • Yes and yes.

    A club mate of mine said that back in the 70's the only real aim was running as many miles per week as possible. Some good race times were one result.

    The other was body weight. No doubt about it. Just about every other shop now is a food outlet. And food you actually want to eat. 30 years ago it was just crap, so you didn't bother.

  • The question is almost meaningless, not the least because the times are so out of kilter, a 52min 10 is way better than the 5/10k ones. But every club is different so what are we to compare it with? And what era? Even a 52min 10 was hardly exceptional in the early 80s when I started. And sub-33min 10k wouldn't even have got you in the 12-stage road relay team.

  • Can't we just google him and see his real results ?
  • Joe Volcano wrote (see)

    The question is almost meaningless, not the least because the times are so out of kilter, a 52min 10 is way better than the 5/10k ones. But every club is different so what are we to compare it with? And what era? Even a 52min 10 was hardly exceptional in the early 80s when I started. And sub-33min 10k wouldn't even have got you in the 12-stage road relay team.

    God I feel like a slow runner now image

  • Interesting stats but has the make up of the race changed? I.E., more charity runners, more of the fairer sex etc? I don't know, but maybe factors like this have an impact as well?
  • Big_G - If we add another stat for number of UK runners that have achieved these times in the whole of 2012 so far in any marathon across the globe then the picture is pretty clear:


    Sub 2:30:
    2012 - 55 Finishers
    1985 - 264 Finishers
    2012 (any marathon anywhere) - 61 Finishers

    Sub 2:45:
    2012 - 364 Finishers
    1985 - 1,110 Finishers
    2012 (any marathon anywhere) - 517 Finishers

    Sub 3:00:
    2012 - 1232 Finishers
    1985 - 2761 Finishers
    2012 (any marathon anywhere) - 1962 Finishers

  • Big_G wrote (see)
    Interesting stats but has the make up of the race changed? I.E., more charity runners, more of the fairer sex etc? I don't know, but maybe factors like this have an impact as well?

    Probably down to there being loads of better things for the youth of today to do, than blindly thrash out 100miles a week every week.

    Wouldn't imagine many kids dream is to be the next marathon champ, compared to being a Premier league footballer.

    Think about it, you'd have to be one of the 5 or so best in the country to even get funding in running, whereas even a youth team Premier league player can be on £10k a week.

  • Interesting. I never knew this.
  • kittenkat wrote (see)

    No is the answer. I would say that a good club runner in a big established club (like mine) would be slightly more than that. If he's telling the truth he would the best club runner.

    My best times come from the late 80's - sub 15:30 5k / 32 10k / sub 51:30 10m / sub 69 1/2 sub 2:30 marathon - and I struggled to make our club 6 stage relay team - I'm guessing today I'd be winning a lot of races with those times - it's a question of era as someone else pointed out - the late 80's was a bit of a boom time for running - today's average good club runner would still achieve those times - there's just not the strength in depth that there use to be!

  • Back in the day I was running 17 min for 5K, 36 min for 10K, 58 mins for 10 miles, never went any longer BUT the point is I was nowhere hear good enough to make the club A team, whereas if I could run those times today I would be a shoe in.

  • When I was at school in the 80s I was running 3miles in under 21mins at age 15. That was just three runs a week in the evening to top up two rugby training sessions and a few squash sessions. I'm fairly sure that we would often run 2laps cross country for a warm up at the start of PE lessons (especially if it was raining - we had one of those type of PE teachers). I usually came in near the back of the field. The last few used to have to run another lap. I've just used map-my-run to measure the distance at 1.25miles per lap.

    I'll ask my daughter how often they run.

  • Still remember a guy called Trevor Hawes who started up running after seven years off. Eleven months later he ran 2:17 for a marathon and was disappointed.

    Still considered to be just a club runner.

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