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Angela Isherwood 2 wrote (see)
Hi all, Minni, I would like to use hills for control, but the first 2 miles are downhill to the steepest uphill but only about 300m long. I wonder if I should use that downhill for free speed? Sarah- No speed work except for race pace. I'm doing Hal higdon intermediate 1 plan- all my friends in the states who run swear by him, so thought I'd give it a go. Sucks working indoors all the time- everyone who knows me, even some of my colleagues say I should have a job that takes me outdoors, I did study geography after all! I'm working on it- doing a PT and nutrition course at the moment Yeah, I was aiming for sub 2 hours in that race, which I think worked out at 9:09m/ml.. I think I started and for 6-7 miles was at 8:30 to 8:45, but then blew up. Still hit my goal but was certainly a positive split. I like the contraption Malcs showed...I took up knitting a few months ago- I found that helps me to stay sitting down
Ive never heard to hal higdon....but I only learnt about P&D after joining the forums. Maybe thats the next book for me.
I love being outdoors but im rubbish when im cold as I get raynauds so my fingers and toes really suffer. Despite this though if I dont get some fresh air every day and use a bit of energy up I do tend to get agitated and frustated with myself. Chris always laughs at me. When we were in Kenya, I spent so many days by the pool that one day I had a little tantrum as I had all this built up energy from not running/walking....this was despite doing all the water sports that they offered!
A nutrition course sounds good. There is a job thats come up locally to work with one of the clinical leads for nutrition to develop some e-learning modules and guidelines...was so tempted but I really dont think I have the time at the moment.
My nan taught me how to knit when I had chickenpox at the age of 6...not sure I would be able to remember how to do it now, something about round and up and under???
Id aim for a negative split if you can, its far more enjoyable
Mr Puffy wrote (see)
Evening! My knee was a bit sore, but I noticed that when I concentrated on my form it felt much better so I think it will ok tomorrow. I'll drop Puffy Junior off at 8:30 and aim for 20 miles, I can add a bit on if I feel good, but there's still plenty of time for a couple of 22s if it doesn't happen tomorrow. I know what you mean about the breakfasts...we stay at the same hotel every year, and I have porridge and a banana and they have what the Hotel calls the Braveheart Breakfast after I've left for the start. It's right by Tower Bridge so they can stroll out to watch in good time. Last time we stayed there was for a mini-break so I got my money's worth. What do you eat the night before? We take our own pasta lunch to eat at the expo, then go to Pizza Express early evening.
My knee was a bit sore, but I noticed that when I concentrated on my form it felt much better so I think it will ok tomorrow. I'll drop Puffy Junior off at 8:30 and aim for 20 miles, I can add a bit on if I feel good, but there's still plenty of time for a couple of 22s if it doesn't happen tomorrow.
I know what you mean about the breakfasts...we stay at the same hotel every year, and I have porridge and a banana and they have what the Hotel calls the Braveheart Breakfast after I've left for the start. It's right by Tower Bridge so they can stroll out to watch in good time. Last time we stayed there was for a mini-break so I got my money's worth.
What do you eat the night before? We take our own pasta lunch to eat at the expo, then go to Pizza Express early evening.
How did your 20 go today? I hope your knee problem is a simple as that to manage and nothing serious.
I think I will only do one 22 3 weeks before VLM if minni agrees. Next week I have the 20 mile race then the week after only a 9 mile race in france. Hopefully I will do a 22 and then taper, although if I dont get it done, im really happy that I have done three 18 and three 20s so far.
Last year I had a cooked full english for breakfast, fruit for lunch and salmon, a jacket potatoe and salad for tea.....listening to Ruth I think I made all the mistakes possible. This year I plan on having cereal and toast for breakfast, a jacket and beans or tuna for lunch and pasta for tea, with a milk shake and bagel for snacks....gona be stuffed.
Personally I'm also curious about the Disney marathon, though I'll save that for when I actually have children (is it strange to be planning running holidays probably 10 years in advance?)
I saw a write up about that in RW...it looks absolutly fantastic, I had completley forgotten about it....who needs kids...Im with Minni on that one
Training Diary for Forum 6 sub 3:30 (VLM) Week 9 (day 69) Aim; 10-12 mile steady run.
Actual 11.2 miles steady (average pace 10:03 min/mls)
My RC has decided that once a month we will go somewhere else away from maltby to do a different run. Today we met at one of the members cottages and ran from the local village, in to a small woods, by the side of a railway track. After running through several extremly muddy fields (after almost loosing my trainers twice) we hit a flooded road for about 1-2 miles before a long stretch home by the side of a river on another muddy bank.
My paces on the road were roughly 9m/m and those on the muddy fields, paths and banks were 10:00 - 10:50 min/mls.
It was nice to run off road and save the knees and it was nice to run with friends again. Im glad that I had done my 18 on friday though as I would have been disappointed if it had been my main run of the week due to having to stop and start a few times due to slower runners. Because it was supposed to have been a very steady/easy run I was quite happy though (even when it started snowing and blowing a gale) and was even happier when we got back to my friends and had fruit cake and coffee.
Congratulations minni on a fabulous HM in awful weather conditions and after a recent injury and illness
Hi Sarah, I only got back from my run about an hour ago, after running round doing Mothers' Day stuff. Puffy Junior and Mrs P have gone to Old Trafford for the Chelsea game so I thouhght rather than rush things this morning I would do the run at 3 o clock.
I managed 20 at about 9mm with pretty even splits and my knee did hurt towards the end, I'll see how it is tomorrow but I think it's on the mend.
I tried the high 5 gels, they were less gloopy than SiS but bloody hard to open! Talk about not fit for purpose. I feel a bit sick now but I did have a huge slice of home made chicken pie with chips for lunch.
I'd never heard of P&D either... I would say that P&D is a really interesting read, and certainly incorporating the strength and core stuff is great. I would say that the Hal Hidgon book probably wouldn't tell you anything you don't already know, but all the plans are available on his website for free, together with a description of what he means by each pacing bracket. What was attractive to me was that its in plain english. If anything, my one criticism would be that we all know you should increase weekly mileage gradually. which it does in the main, but then sometimes there are big jumps. For example I think my recent weeks were like this 28, 30, 26 (step back), 36 (woah 10 more miles), 37 (d'oh niggles), 30, 41 (I may be a bit wrong on those last two, but it did seem to go from 20s into the high 30s pretty instantly. I would probably try to put a middling week in between in future.
I didn't run today. Was going to do 14, but when I got up early (had to play piano in church) and saw the snow I thought that was the final straw in me not feeling very much like it. firstly a bit concerned that my 17 miles was only 6 days ago. This lower leg thing, though not affecting my runnning at all anymore is still in need of some tlc, and its mothers day, so instead, I invited my mum over after church for some home made lancashire hotpot and to chill out. Was very nice, and glad I did. Plus, I can just say I started the taper for the half mara next week a day early... If I had done 14 today, it would have technically been a 50 mile week, which is higher than my plan prescribes at all, and I'm still 2 months away from the race. Quite happy sticking at 36, and going for 50 mile weeks when I'm training for Bournemouth.
Bet you're glad you got the long run in on Friday. Can't believe when I was running on Monday I stripped down to just my vest, and today its snowing. I hope this is the last lot of cold weather! Don't want Colchester Half to be snowy...
Knitting- I have to show you a picture of what I made pre= Christmas, but I don't know how to put pictures on these posts... can I do it from iPhone?
Morning all,That was a great 18 miles the other day Sarah, it's good that you are getting those MP miles in and still keeping up a good pace for the rest of the run. I had a bit of a rough day yesterday. I was intending to do 20 miles but a couple of miles in I felt my tummy starting to give me a bit of trouble and although it settled down after a while I was still conscious of it as I went round and I changed my route so I didn't get too far away from home. Then after about ten miles my legs started to feel heavy and I had to ease off the pace, and by the time I got to 16 miles I was really struggling, so I called it a day as I was quite close to home at that point. It was a bit disappointing at the time but I'm not feeling too despondent - I think I was still feeling the effects of last week's HM a bit (I found the midweek runs hard going this week as well) and I expect to have the odd off-day anyway. I was due to have a shorter run next Sunday so I'll do a 20 miler then instead, but I think I'll take it relatively easy the next couple of days and maybe swap one of my midweek runs for some cross training in the gym.
Hi Angela - thanks for the info regarding the SF Marathon. Unfortunately I'm constrained by the school holidays so LA wouldn't be possible, nor Disney (which is a shame because it looks like fun). I don't mind hills too much - I do most of my long runs on a fairly hilly route, and I'd be going more for the experience than to get a good time.
Hi Sarah, Angela
Yes, I've been feeling fine yesterday and today thanks. In fact a nice hot bath after I got back on Sunday seemed to do the trick nicely.
I must say your shoe situation sounds really weird... I wonder (given they were so cheap) if they were at all legitamite??
Scarf= hmm its more that I forget about it for months on end then see it again and think, that would be nice to wear... and then well, the cycle starts again!
Snow was not much= would have been beautiful for skiing. All melted now. I had a loong day yesterday. Had to attend a conference, so had to leave home at 6.30am and didn't get back in until 11pm, so that was more the reason for no run. That together with snow on Monday and my trip to Dublin has meant I haven't been i nthe office since last Wednesday. Sooooooo much to catch up on, but hopefully I'll get a run in tonight. My body is crying for it!
Do you have your own treadmill?
AndyA, glad you#re feeling better
Good evening, I did my regular 9 miles tonight, a beautiful night for a run here. It was about 6 degrees, really crisp without being too cold and a really fresh smell off the fields. Good night sky too, Jupiter is very prominent tonight.
I set off with two laps of the village to make a mile then down the hill for the next mile; 8:41 & 8:33, then 2 miles up the long hill at 8:47 & 8:35, a mile to speed up; 8:14 then8:03; 7:45; 8:07 and a final uphill mile of 8:00.
I tried a new gel, not because I thought I needed it, the opposite, I thought it would be an opportunity to try it out in stress free situation. It was called Vooma, and it tasted OK, chocolate & Vanilla but boy do I feel odd now! I've had a home made pizza and salad and a mini chocolate cake, and I feel very light headed and my stomach has that feeling I get after a long run, so I don't think I'll be using them on marathon day!
Blimey Puffy out -6 here and snow on the ground! Nice run.
Sarah - Well done for listening to your body yesterday and knowing when to back off. I agree the more running you do outside the less you enjoy the TM. This is good!
I'm struggling with the pics on the thread too at the moment! Have fired off an email to RW Towers begging for help. Think they've decided I'm too snap happy and have banned any more pics!
I've just switched to new trainers - first run in them yesterday. Old ones from December have just died and make soles of feet sore. Which ones are you going for for the marathon?
Totally agree with you about the treadmill - i HATE going one speed ont here. SO boring!!