Adidas Boost Trainers, anyone had a run in a pair yet?

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  • In a study published in the December 2009 issue of PM&R: The journal of injury, function and rehabilitation, researchers compared the effects on knee, hip and ankle joint motions of running barefoot versus running in modern running shoes. They concluded that running shoes exerted more stress on these joints compared to running barefoot or walking in high-heeled shoes. So much for cushioned shoes!



    If you go down the route of barefoot shoes do it with caution!!

    If you didn't run for a year and started back from where you left off no surprise if you get injured,you would take time to re adapt your body to it's former load tolerance.



    A lifetime of sitting in chairs/cars and wearing shoes which change the shape/weaken your feet(all shoes) messes with your walking running hardware and will need on your part an understanding of adaption.



    Do not go down this road of transition if you are not willing to improve your understanding of what's ahead of you and then the will to apply it.



    Ignore the above and you will be just another runner who thinks barefoot injured you!

    What injured you is in fact lack of upstanding and impatience.
  • Barefoot running would have worked for our ancestors - but they didn't have to run on concrete and train for marathons.
  • The following is from A Havard Study



    What about surface hardness? Our ancestors didn???t run on pavement.

    A common perception is that running on hard surfaces causes injuries, but runners typically adjust leg stiffness so they experience the similar impact forces on soft and hard surfaces. Further, forefoot and some midfoot strikers hit the ground in a way that generates almost no collision forces even on hard surfaces like steel. You can run barefoot and heel strike on a soft beach or lawn, but most natural surfaces are much harder and rougher. With proper forefoot or midfoot strike form, running on hard, rough surfaces can be comfortable and safe.
  • BTW I run in shoes! They just don't have padding or support.

    Wide toe box for foot splay with weather protection and puncture protection.
  • Most running injuries come from soft surfaces
  • Cushioned shoes dampen down proprioception causing most runners to heel strike resulting in an impact transient/collision
  • Runz - I like the 'can' there.



    What about the milages though - what did our ancestors do ? They'd not have run for fun - all that excess energy wasted. Our ancestors also didn't need the internet or wheels for a good while. I don't see anyone advocating the return of the square wheel.
  • Actually maybe the square wheel was in that Carry On Cavemen documentary I watched.....
  • DF3 you read the Daily Mail? Now why wouldn't that surprise me!



    I Don't run barefoot BTW. I wear shoes like our ancestors would have done for weather protection etc.



    Cougie - oh dear!
  • imo you wont have ran the redding half, only 80% of a half, since your shoes are doing the other 20% image

  • All biological specimens have to obey the rules of physics and chemistry.



    I'm a biomechanics/ movement specialist/ coach and have helped runners to less injury and faster times through a long transition to shoes with no cushion/structure.

    It's not easy and if rushed the runner will get hurt.



    Df3 if you are happy with your Boost then stick with it.



    If you wear cushioned/structured shoes and are happy in your running with few injuries then carry on



    BTW I wear shoes without padding or structure....just in case I haven't mention this before!
  • He would have gone faster without it is what I will say.



    When you run skilfully on a healthy strong foot you engage the foots/lower leg hardware which does what the boost is trying to mimic. Most runners who wear the boost will heel strike making it impossible for that reason alone not to engage the hardware. The narrow toe sprung Boost also disengages the big toe.



    Your planter fascia and Achilles work together to give you cushioning and performance. 52% of your 2x BW when running will be absorbed before it gets to the knee when running in a barefoot shoe but only if you have fully adapted/conditioned your foot and are now running skilfully.



    In the promo vid for the boost the running models are heel striking.

    A world class marathon runner is not going to heel strike therefore if there are any magical properties to the Boost they will be by passed.



    The boost was designed for heel strikers!

    Did you know that DP3?



    BTW I run in shoes! Just in case I haven't mentioned this!
  • DP3 if you run like 80% plus of runners I could coach you to break 1.40 for the half marathon.
  • It's worth pointing out if records start tumbling because of the Boost it will be banned much like those swim suits were! Made by a speedo I think! lol
  • David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

    My name is David Falconer, and Im a heel striker!

     

    One day at a time!image

     

    BTW did i mention that i wear shoes!

     

     

     

  • BTW if you are running slow enough with good posture it is perfectly fine to heel strike!!

    Yes i know shock Horrorimage

    It's to do with forces. The faster you run the more force you strike the ground with.

    Therefore if your posture is good plus you are running slowly with a short stride (closer contact point to your centre of gravity) that is an appropriate shape to make for that force.

    Im talking real slow though somewhere between 1.46 to 1.50 half marathon pace! lolimage just my little joke! i know you can take it!!

  • I bought a pair just over a week ago.  I used to wear Asics kayano.  My first run was my usual 2.7 miler.  I got a PB breaking previous record of 19.19 by 40 seconds, coming in at 18.39.  Couple of days later I tried my 4.5 mile route and again got a PB clocking 34.30.  2 minutes faster than my previous fastest time.  I honestly think the Boost have increased my speed and endurance.  They are light, feel very responsive and give good support.  I think Adidas size 11 are a bit tighter than Asics size 11 and I maybe should have gone for a half size up.  Overall , very happy with them.  Doing the coniston 14 on 23rd MArch which will really test them out !

  • booktrunkbooktrunk ✭✭✭

     just ignore this insane post.....

  • I have some new size 9 for sale unworn, too tight for me so getting 9.5 if i can locate a pair.

  • The following was swiped from Runners World USA





    In the late 1980s the New York Times heard that several running shoe companies were flirting with a new idea called ???energy return,??? so the paper dispatched a reporter to investigate. In his article, ???Fitness, Can Athletic Shoes Provide Energy???? William Stockton concluded that energy return in shoes was ???extraordinarily complex and still poorly understood.??? His advice: ???Anyone about to buy a pair of athletic shoes would do well to ignore the energy return claims.???



    A quarter century later, that???s still good guidance, even in the face of Adidas???s big launch last week of its Energy Boost running shoes.



    Let me say immediately that the Energy Boost shoes appear to be outstanding, and I look forward to trying a pair. I???m impressed with the Runner???s World ???Best Debut??? shoe award in the 2013 Spring Shoe Guide, particularly the glowing reports from wear-testers--runners like you and me.



    I???m even more impressed by the results of tests conducted by biomechanist Martyn Shorten, PhD, director of the Runner???s World Shoe Lab. Martyn has worked in the shoe industry almost as long as I???ve been running, and he???s a hard arse when it comes to running-shoe claims, which is exactly why Runner???s World chose him to head the Shoe Lab. Yet after poking, prodding, stomping upon, dissecting and inspecting (under a microscope) the new ???boost??? midsole, Martyn confirmed what Adidas is claiming: the shoe has ???industry leading??? energy return (more on this soon), thin and lightweight but effective cushioning, tremendous resistance to heat and cold, and more durability (perhaps twice as much) as conventional EVA midsoles. The boost midsole is a TPU foam that some describe as styrofoam-like, but both compressible and springy.



    So let me say it again: The Adidas Energy Boost looks like a heck of a good running shoe. But not because of its energy return.



    The Adidas press conference and subsequent promotions made extensive use of this ???ball drop??? video. I don???t know what you see when you watch this video, but I see the boost foam producing twice as much of something (energy return?) as the EVA foam, at least to judge from the ball???s bounce height and repeated bouncing.



    Here are the problems. First, this video depicts a ???static??? test in which the ball drops straight down and bounces straight up. There???s no forward movement. Whereas in running we try to move forward in a ???dynamic??? manner from point A to point B. Second, that???s a very small, dense ball (steel?) that we see in the video. It has little elastic recoil. Whereas the running body uses tendons, muscles, and other support structures to deliver a fair amount of elastic recoil. If Adidas had used a tennis ball instead of a steel ball in the video, the results would have been reversed.



    I asked Adidas to explain the use of the ball-drop test, and got this email response from Mikal Peveto, director of running for Adidas America (and an old friend, as it turns out).???It was never meant to be a scientific representation of the exact running gait cycle,??? Peveto wrote. ???It???s marketing but it???s also accurate.??? He added that ???the testing standards of ASTM F1614 are similar to our ball-drop video.??? (ASTM used to be called the American Society for Testing and Materials, and that???s still essentially what it is.)



    True. And Martyn Shorten also used a drop test to confirm that the Adidas shoe produced more energy return than any of the 800 other running shoes in his database. But this is a machine and materials test, not a test of runners who are running. No one really knows what energy return means to runners, if it means anything at all.



    ASTM???s own descriptive notes say: ???Shock attenuating values dete
  • PhilPubPhilPub ✭✭✭

    Keep up!  I posted the link back on page 2.  image

    PhilPub wrote (see)

    Some interesting articles which somebody recently posted in another thread:

    My Problem with the Adidas Boost Marketing Approach

    A Brief History Of Energy Return In Running Shoes

     

     

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