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  • Yes Sussex, in my State Mrs C would be El Presidente on a lifetime ticket and I'd still be in the same position I am now, not having an absolute freedom, always having to do what I'm told ( or at least not get caught doing what I shouldn't...), giving up part of my wages to help run the State, and generally being a down trodden member of society...  image

    If reality matched intention I'd know I was dreaming
  • Knowing what Orkney and Shetland Islanders can be like, the next thing will be they will want to re-join with Norway and not be ruled by Edinburgh!

    Please don't make us have the Euro! Ruined Ireland (although they did quite well out of it for a few years until the bubble burst). I might have to move back to England if that happens, Holy Sh!t imageimage!

     

  • image Chimney I'd be careful with that talk there was until it was pointed out that it's a waste of money talk of a yorkshire regenal assembly and your right on the boarder's off the socailist repubic of yorkshire. image

  • I could move back to Yorkshire image...if you'd have me back image. Promise I would bring lots of Tunnocks products image.

  • I wonder how William Wallace would have felt about the possibility about Scotland not leaving the Uk because some of the Scotch don't want to lose Strictly Come Dancing

  • But they could have - "Strictly Come Caber Tossing" instead...

  • What is it with this 'Scotch' business?

    Scotch = whisky

    Scots = people from Scotland

    We will have to start calling you lot down South 'Entch' next image.

    TV is largely shite anyway whatever nation you are sitting in, wouldn't bother me if they just turned it off altogether image. Rot for the brain.

  • So what you are saying is that the referendum for the people of Scotland is their choice to either stay in the UK or leave and become independent. Therefore, as you say, choosing either way? Inciteful. Cheers for that.

  • If the referendum means in or out, what happens to shake it all about?

  • NessieNessie ✭✭✭

    Orkney and Shetland have already been making noises about breaking away from Scotland and becoming an independent state (and taking a fair amount of oil revenue with them).

  • I hope they vote for independence.   I think it'll be interesting to see how things develop if they do.   As part of the UK the electorate has been left leaning so it might be they provide a kind of testing ground for more socialist policies.    

    Alternatively I could equally imagine their electorate turning away from the left as arguably Scotland like Northern England has benefitted in the past from govt policy that redistributes wealth as that typicallymeans away from the South of England to areas with lower average incomes.  

  • Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

    it's the English that should be seeking independence our tax would plummet if we didn't have to prop up the hanger-on economies

    With 8.4% of the UK population, Scotland has on average been responsible for 9.12% of Britain’s tax revenues. That’s 109% of what would be our fair share per head of population. Over the same period, the people of England have on average produced 102% of their share, Northern Ireland 87% and Wales just 73%.

     

    It is, then, clear beyond any reasonable doubt in which direction subsidies flow within the UK. Scots out-produce anyone else and generate wealth significantly out of proportion to Scotland’s size. To put some meat on those bones, here are the year-by-year figures for the amount Scotland contributed over and above its population share:

     

    1999-00: -£312m
    2000-01: £716m
    2001-02: £1.32 bn
    2002-03: £1.47 bn
    2003-04: £1.14 bn
    2004-05: £1.3 bn
    2005-06: £4.23 bn
    2006-07: £3.93 bn
    2007-08: £3.44 bn
    2008-09: £7.93 bn
    2009-10: £3.19 bn
    2010-11: £4.67 bn
    2011-12: £6.48 bn
    2012-13: £2.95 bn

    TOTAL: £42.5 bn

    This doesn't include any oil revenue. Why else do think the Conservitives who have politically nothing to gain by Scotland remaining in the UK are actively pushing the 'No' campaign?

    This information obviously doesn't help sell copies of the Daily Mail in Kent or Surrey though!

  • NessieNessie ✭✭✭

    I think the prescriptions and tuition fees are part of the public expenditure, not an add-on.

    I don't know which set of stats above is correct - where did they come from? (Genuine question - as an accountant I'd like to compare and analyse.....)

  • Well without gas and oil GDP per capita is lower than the UK as a whole according to the BBC -http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266

    - and the spend per head in Scotland is a lot higher than the rest of the UK - over 10% higher.    

    Suppose it depends where you get the figures.

     

    sorry x post had to answer the phone

  • Part of the problem is that we have 2 really good MP's.  Alex and Nicola.

     

    I know of only a couple of folks who will vote 'yes' and they are religious about it - i.e. it's a matter of faith with them and has nothing to do with economics or reality for that matter.

     

    If we as a nation overwhelmingly vote yes then it will have to happen but I am with Nessie on this one. I cannot see any need. I am British and Scottish and happily so, London just isn't so far away.  If we get more than our fair share, or, pay more than our fair share then it should be rectified - possibly devo-max could be that way.  There has to be some change in parliament so that Scottish MP's don't unduly influence  English/Welsh matters and so, yes,  there are some things that need to be worked out.

     

    The thought of us started afresh - currency, defence, intelligence - domestic and foreign, embassies, sports teams, welfare, banking, NATO, Europe etc etc .....  shudder.

  • I'm just thinking about all of the admin - I mean I can't be arsed changing my electricity supplier - so imagine all the forms you have to fill out to change independence.....
  • cougie wrote (see)
    I'm just thinking about all of the admin - I mean I can't be arsed changing my electricity supplier - so imagine all the forms you have to fill out to change independence.....

    In triplicate...

  • PC -PC - ✭✭✭

    Is Alex Salmond married ? Just wondering as he like's his independence so much.

    If Scotland become independent and the rest of the UK vote out of the EU in the promised referendum, there would be a lot more paper work.  70% of Scotland's 'exports' are to the rest of the UK.

    I wonder who is going to benefit from a yes vote. ie the Tory's in rUK, lawyers.  Are there big companies openly or privately, hoping for a yes vote ?

  • NessieNessie ✭✭✭

    He is married PC - lol!

    I don't think anyone will benefit financially from a yes vote - any "savings" to either part of the dissolved union will be more that eaten up by the cost of the dissolution (I think the civil service have their own lawyers, but it'll still be expensive).

    As Gymaddict says, there are other ways to address any imbalance in "fairness" without throwing toys out of prams. 

  • Only the Scottish have a vote, so whilst the English, Welsh and Northern Irish may have an opinion; reality that just a talking point. Power already lies North of the border. 

     

  • Chappers wrote (see)

    Only the Scottish have a vote. 

     

    Um, yes, we know...image

  • Since Scots don't have a "Scottish" passport to prove they are Scots, I imagine you have to be resident in Scotland - I imagine that includes any English, Welsh, Aussies Nigerians or Hawaiians that live there too.

     

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