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Yeah, that was a bit disappointing.
Just waiting for them to accuse Ovett, Cram, Thompson, Farah, Radcliffe, Holmes etc etc.
...useful to know how easy it is to get EPO though...
Yes, it's stir the turd again time, under the banner of investigative journalism.
I've been told stories from 30 years back of athletes (throws) who disappeared without trace for a few months and returned looking twice the size.
Make your own mind up. It was from an associate of the athlete. A different era.
There's the possibility of former top athletes forced to be hypocrites when preaching their anti drugs stance.
Anyway, EPO never did me any good as a runner.
Well, it might have done if I'd taken some.
🙂
They have basically accused Alberto Salazar and Galen Rupp of being drugs cheats
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32877702
Let's face it nobody is that good on The Cube without some assistance.
Kind of reminds me of this report from last year where the lawyers for a top British athlete successfully gagged anyone who might name a certain athlete to irregular blood samples.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2869185/Calls-British-athlete-doping-list-intensify-suspicious-blood-samples-tested.html
We never did find out who this top British athlete was.
Indeed. Fingers will certainly be pointing at Farah now. I always assumed it was Ohuruogu.
Regards Salazar wasn't the only issue the evidence of testosterone on ruups chart. Which was explained away as a mis recorded supplement called testo boost. Take away that the other stuff was all allowable prescription drugs. Of course whether you believe that it was Mis recorded is another thing.
Just watched and the evidence seemed pretty conclusive (particularly that aimed at Salazar & the Oregon Project).
Salazar and Rupp respond:
Salazar's statement reads:
"I believe in a clean sport and hard work, and so do my athletes. Apparently that is not interesting enough for some. I am very disappointed that the BBC and ProPublica and their 'reporters' have allowed themselves to be used by individuals with agendas and have engaged in such inaccurate and unfounded journalism. Rather than present the facts, they opted for sensationalism and innuendo. It is particularly sad that they have attacked Galen and his excellent reputation, which he has earned through years of hard work."
Rupp's statement reads:
"I am very disappointed in the BBC and ProPublica. I am dedicated to clean sport and have worked extemely hard for every accomplishment in my running career. I expressly told these reporters that these allegations were not true and their sources admit they have no evidence, yet they print "suspicions" attacking me and sullying my reputation. That is inexcusable, irresponsible journalism."
-- Ken Goe
From http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/alberto_salazar_and_galen_rupp.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/accusations_rock_alberto_salaz.html
And some other balancing comments in this article.
For me it seems to be more about whether he is bending the rules rather than breaking the rules (other than the testosterone stuff but those accusations seem a bit wishy washy).
I'm not saying whether the use of the TUEs is right or wrong but seems more wrong than right but the discussions and accusations are at a completely different level of severity and detail to that of Lance Armstrong.
The fact that all the accusations are aimed at Rupp, a known asthma sufferer, and none at Farah also makes me wonder how much depth there is in these allegations.
We were told (by a National athletics coach) at Uni 20 odd years ago that Wells took lots of steroids. And Christie. Really hope Mo is clean but then again, I never suspected Chambers.
Hard not to suspect loads of people who have done remarkably well in the past, such as Bolt, Radcliffe, Farah, Rudisha etc etc.
15West: It depends on how you like to look at things. I'm a big fan of athletics, running in particular and I find the top runners very inspiring. If I were to just take the cynical, world weary view that anyone running fast times is probably doping, I'd lose any enjoyment I have. I prefer to take the view that, unless proved otherwise, either through testing or (in Lance Armstrongs case, overwhelming evidence), athletes are clean. I just have to trust that testing is largely doing its job and that cheats will eventually get caught. Otherwise, what's the point?
That isn't to say that nobody has ever cheated and got away with it, as I'm sure many have - but as I don't know any of the facts on that, it's pointless speculating.
It's difficult because we know some top runners have taken epo because they've been busted. We know epo gives a significant performance boost. So part of me says logically nobody could compete with runners who dope unless they also dope, we saw that in cYcling where top riders suddenly found themselves getting dropped when epo first came into the sport.
On the other hand I do find athletes like Radcliffe, Wiggins, (I'd add Gabresailassie butI can't spell his name!)believable so it's that tension between finding the individuals genuine and logic telling me those achievements aren't. I end up on the side of believing them but there is always a doubt which assuming they are genuine is the tragedy of these sports.
Not me. EPO was always a favourite of cyclists for its benefits for endurance. So I always assumed it was a middle to long distance British runner they were talking about.
I'm sure Radcliffe is clean but I'd like to see what Farah does next. If he leaves Salazar I want to see him winning still.
And obviously anyone who beats me in my next parkrun is microdosing EPO...
I think the athletes themselves know who is or isn't clean - remember the rush of athletes defending Ohurugu but condemning Chambers. It'll be interesting to see who defends Mo over the coming days/weeks, and indeed, how he reacts himself, as Cougie says. Walking away from the Oregon Project is the least I'd expect.
I really hope he's clean.
And that woman who beat me in the Mum's race at the school sports was obviously on something....................
Obviously there aren't enough consequences of a severe enough nature to stop people from doping in the first place.
For me, anyone caught doping should be banned from the sport, for life. End of.
Jo Pavey smells a rat too.
She's in your kitchen: what are you gonna do?
Beth - they can get away with it with this micro doping as shown in the programme. It's rife, but I guess as long as they pass the tests makes it all ok?