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Interesting point JT. But what constitutes an idiot? Is it by a set of conditions or relative to someone else?
What is damage to the country?
I've seen smashed up bus shelters. Horrendous vandalism; a boon to glaziers and the like.
Democracy is just what it is. If the masses are thick then educate them.
Common pattern of thought appears to be that those 'in the know' are clever intelligent people and everyone else is just stupid. Again, a relative judgement.
I've seen super clever people bankrupt themselves while holding a grudge against financially adapt so called 'thicko's as; in their opinion, the money is wasted on them.
Personally, I accept that people are different. No use raging against them and calling them thick and stupid. They don't like it, and if you work with these people, your standing as a figure of respect is severely compromised.
People might find that reacting to the Brexit result is about as far as changing their lives will get.
Don't worry everyone. The Scottish Parliament could block the UK leaving the EU. Bloody unlikely but worth a try.
Parliament commences tomorrow. There is a possibility the SNP will table for a 2nd referendum. Depends if they can get as much tory and labour support. The vote could be overturned in parliament. A dangerous move to reverse a public decision.
Sadly it won't happen because we have a leaderless government and a depleted shadow opposition. In a time when you need stability and unity.
I really don't think anyone on both sides expected Leave to actually win.
Agreed, Cougie. They slag off Corbyn for running an ineffectual campaign. When I saw him, he was quite straight: the EU isn't great and needs to change but the alternatives are worse, he said.
I hope things don't get violent when most of the country realises they've been had.
The problem with Corbyn is he gives lengthy, reasoned arguments instead of just shouting slogans like Trump/Johnson/Farage.
Which is why he will never make a campaign leader. He's the engine room, not the chap on the bridge.
Yeah...but who to replace him? They've got a tough job whoever it is.
Sounds like we could be getting a general election sometime soon.
I think things will get violent. Certainly for a time when the penny drops with a proportion of the leavers that they didn't vote for what they thought the did. I can see civil unrest and racially motivated riots. Maybe even a resurgence of Brixton, Toxteth etc.
i still feel incredibly sad about this vote. Not least because I hoped the Britain of today was a generally peaceful and tolerant society that had genuinely begun to embrace a multicultural heritage.
Id hoped the racist and bigoted society I walked away from in the 1990's had made peace with change. But actually it's more hateful than ever. I've never been so ashamed to be British.
Yeah, I'm with you Happychap. It is depressing, but...there is obviously a massive social divide in this country which has been ignored and has now reached breaking point.
I blame Thatcher.
Maybe Clegg isn't such a dumbarse after all.
He wrote that last wednesday.
24 hour media syndrome.
If the politicians would behave more like mature responsible adults this would also help.
If Remain had won a lot of the same stuff would have been stoked up just in reverse.
eg 'I voted remain but now they've won and I wonder if I've missed a once in a lifetime chance to make the EU work better'.
It would still have left 50% of the country unhappy and remember in England that % was a lot greater for leave whatever the inadequacy of the reasoning (there will have been many who voted remain for similar nonsense reasons.
I read somewhere that only 31% of 18 - 24 year olds voted - can't find it now but if more of them had given a shit about their future then perhaps it would have been a different result.
For me the reason Remain lost was simple - after 40 years of being in Europe none of the many politicians who backed Remain could actually stand up and articulate what being in Europe had done for us in a positive way.
ah here it is
John Oliver's take on the Brexit
Skinny - that's definitely part of the problem....the oldies vote...the young can't be arsed. I wonder what the turnout and result would be if there was a 2nd referendum.
Also Skinny...you're right about the Remain side's arguments. All they went on about was the shit we would be in if we left, instead of the benefits we have got from being in. Things like EU funding, trade, peace etc.
All is not lost for the 'Remain' camp. Cameron, who really should shoulder the blame for this unnecessary debacle, did one canny thing - he resigned and left the incoming Tory leader to trigger 'Article 50'.
The timeline for our departure from the EU cannot begin until 'Article 50' is put into operation. This is a poisoned chalice that Cameron has passed to his successor, who is likely to be Boris Johnson.
I honestly don't imagine Johnson having the bollocks to trigger the departure countdown, I'm pretty much convinced that he doesn't want to and remember Parliament has to ratify his decision with a vote.
The European Parliament cannot force the UK to trigger 'Article 50' and the UK Government will not be in any hurry to start the clock on departure, knowing that it would consign the UK to irrevocable departure.
I'm pretty much convinced there'll be a long period of stalemate, where like Schrödinger's Cat being both 'alive' and 'dead' at the same time - we'll be both 'in' and 'out' of Europe for a couple of years until a further referendum confirms our status within...
Then again, I've always been a hopeless optimist and am still waiting for the train set my dad promised me for my 11th birthday
Corinthian - there will be riots if they didn't actually do it. Plus, EU want us gone now.