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AWC-cracking tempo pace again! I agree with Jools-you need to be racing a 10k pretty soon to take advantage of your current form.
Hazel-bad luck, hope it's only a small niggle and it goes as quickly as it came.
Sounds like the comeback is on Reg-great news!
Great mileage being posted by the usual suspects with some excellent long runs and progression runs going on.
Just been taking it easy then Jools!
Decent HM Muddy if you weren't feeling great Muddy.
Glad to hear you are back to it NE. 15 week plan for Newport sounds good. I've just entered it myself. Whether I run it or not is debatable but it is very local........
Out at 4:15 this morning to be greeted with cold, wet and very windy weather. 12 miles with strides was the job. Conditions look shit for the rest of the week!
Muddy - it may not have been the race you were looking for but at least you know you were not 100% and have another chance soon.
Jooligan - great recap and a good example of what every weekend must be like for you!
Tom - efficient as ever
Hazel - bad news that you’ve joined the injury wagon, hope it proves to be nothing serious.
One of my favourite LT sessions this morning - 10x2 mins on/1 min off. By keeping the recoveries steady it came out about LT pace overall for a solid 30 min workout, even though half of it was into a fierce headwind. Probably the first time I’ve enjoyed running into the wind for the cooling effect!
JCG - good luck with testing the knee this week.
Hazel - sorry to hear about your calf, take it steady when you return to speed sessions. There must be some fantastic trail races in your neck of the woods.
Muddy - sorry illness held you back at BM. Decent effort in the circumstances, you could have been immortalised as the BM man who had an ermmm......accident.
NE - good luck with the 15 week plan, could catch on. On the other hand, I don’t think Jools race to fitness plan will catch on, fantastic effort though.
Some good LTs Steve, AWC and John (not seen one like that before), and quick, early, steady long stuff from everyone else.
Steve - I’ve a place in the Lakeland 100 in the summer, really looking forward to it. Before then a couple of spring maras followed by a couple of warm Up ultras.
5m recovery felt like an ultra yesterday, I might swap today’s LT for a MLR as I feel like plodding.
Good work again John
No point attempting an LT session so soon after any sort of distance race let alone a 43M one Macca! Consulting the WWJD? manual (1st edition) again I find that apparently you need 2 days rest between a hilly 53M & an interval session before racing a 5K the following day
The 2nd edition would definitely extend the recovery period by skipping the interval session since the performance was rubbish (20:23) & I was weak afterwards so had to take another 2 days off running. I was still biking to work of course
Good to see you're back in the land of the living NE.
Good luck with the recovery Hazel, sounds like you're doing the right thing.
6mi easy today, if easy is possible in torrential hail and sleet.
NE - Think 15 weeks could be a good length plan, as I know some feel 18 weeks is too long a build up.
Hazel - Sorry to hear about the calf, hope you recover quickly.
Spoons - Great long run. Comforting to know I'm not the only one struggling on those runs!
AWC - Cracking LT run. You really are in great shape at the moment.
Ramjet - That was a nice bit of planning! Still got a 17 miler with last 3 at LT.....might do Parkrun at the end to get the LT section in.
8 miles with strides today, felt good. Got a 10k race in 3 weeks, so will be a good test to where I am at fitness wise.
JohnOz: nice LT run there - not one I've seen before. Sounds hard if you were running the recoveries as steady paced
Tom: sounds unpleasant out there at that time - forecast isn't great this week but hopefully it picks up the week after as the forecast is better
Even Madders is back...with Madbee Jnr
You crazy fool Macca stick with the marathon distance. (well done anyway)
4:15 Tom, what the fuck is wrong with you! I reckon if you could find a race that starts at 4am you'd be untouchable.
Nice LT John.
Unlike Steve my run didn't really feel that good. I did 7 at lunch but felt like I'd done 17. I even got overtaken running along the river. It's only the third time that's ever happened and I couldn't help myself following and then going past about a mile later on. Thankfully the ankle quite enjoyed the extra pace.
Evening all.
Great unexpected PB, Millsy! You seem in great shape, especially given the injury. Ultra training then speed work last year is certainly paying off.
Great progression LR SteveMac. Although it is a ‘half’ training run, I reckon these will pay off come marathon time.
Sensible analysis of the calf, Hazel. Hope it keeps improving.
Cracking unofficial PB, AWC! Training going very well for you.
A hectic couple of days has meant no posting. Had a very enjoyable 6M recovery run yesterday morning with spoons, followed by 4M further recovery in the afternoon. Great to chat away about all things running and not feel I’m boring the proverbials off the other person. Although maybe I was?! Anyway, all very slow, at a much need 8:55-8:20 pace.
This morning was 9M easy at 7:30s, as I build in a very slight taper to this weekend’s 5M race. It was windy and I felt pretty fatigued. My lower legs feel a little tender, almost like they are bruised. Tomorrow morning will be a speed session, in the joyously returning wind. Unfortunately I can’t make a track session fit this week, so will do it based on time not distance.
Tom would definitely win a 4am race if it involved starting in your pyjamas whilst still in bed. The man transitions like no one else.
Have managed to miss the worst of the rain so far this week. 6 miles into work this morning was into a headwind but dry. Legs felt ok as well. Gonna try a Tom style early run tomorrow although a 6am alarm no longer sounds very impressive. It will be as dark as 4am anyway.
Reg - I bet it would be worth watching you in the school egg&spoon race
SQ - I know how you feel about the tired legs. 14M MLR today but now just want to lie down. I forgot how once you get into P&D there is an ever present fatigue in your legs.
Poll question: which should I race this weekend (1) road HM to see where I am at but which has a sparse field so it may become a TT and also is an hour drive each way (2) trail HM almost next to my house but pretty technical (took me 2 hours last time) and 3x the cost
so for me road HM to see where you are. I always do one approx 2 months and it sets my training expextations and paces.
Plus i dont really like trail races. (like them for training runs).
14mi MLR this morning - does anyone else struggle with these? I found today's the most difficult run for a while. It's early, midweek and before work plus I'm still feeling the LT session a bit from Monday night. Just feels like really hard work compared to my Long Runs at the weekend.
I always find the MLR and LT runs the hardest, mentally and physically.
Regarding the cost of races, I am finding that im not entering many races anymore as the prices are getting silly , Great South 10 mile race was about £25 then went to about £45 in a few years and bright HM used to be £18-£26, now its a daft £40, and local 10ks used to be £10-12 and are now £20 on average.
Hmmm I might be sounding a bit tight now!
AWC - Yes, have a 36 miler in May. Nothing longer this year. Will see what I want to do next year. Still want to tick off a 100 miler, but sort of said after my 100k that I wouldn't do any longer than that
Some icy patches here, but no snow, but it was cold....out at 4:20 for a 13 miler, pace felt nice and easy (8:30s). Meant to be doing a Vo2 max session tomorrow, but that will depend on the footpaths....if it's icy I'll move to the weekend and recovery run tomorrow instead.
Impressive MLRs Steve and AWC.
I absolutely love running, and have never ever regretted going for a run. (Unlike the time I went for a swim, managed only 200m before all the kids floats and toys got released and then crashed my car in the car park - I definitely regretted that, essentially paying £1.50 per metre of swimming). But this morning wasn't enjoyable. A very thin film of ice made smoother tarmac lethal. I was in my adios, which didn't seem grippy on it. I just about managed 2 x 5 x (30s fast, 1:30 easy) amongst 10M. I sacked off another mile cool down (as per plan). No idea what the speeds were, but pretty slow I imagine. Still, there must have been some good core training with all the slipping. Moan over!
Usually I don't mind the MLRs. Probably my fave runs are anything between 8 and 15mi, long enough to feel tired but not done in like a LR. Like Macca I don't like the LT runs, or VO2 etc., too far out of my comfort zone. I also don't really enjoy the easy recovery runs much, because I am usually all achy and don't want to run at all.
12mi today. Perfect!
JohnOz - not sure what to say..difficult choice.
John, I think it depends on how much you enjoy trail runs, also what time of day are they, can you avoid the heat in either one? Personally I love trail running so if I just wanted the effort and training effect without time pressure I'd do the trail run. If I wanted a good time/PB int he HM I'd do the road race.
There's a cold wind here but lots of lovely sunshine and no ice.
FBT - If you're a club member you can still get some good, cheap races but a lot of the big city races are now expensive. For the charity/fun runner types I think it being expensive isn't an issue and maybe makes it feel like a bigger deal. I still do Reading HM but the £40 price is a bit much. They do offer a large discount of about £5-£7 if you're affiliated though.
Ankle/achilles was abit sore after yesterdays run but it seems to have recovered overnight so I plan to get out again at lunch time. No MLRs or LRs for me yet.
More later after a read back at lunch...
Cheers for the opinions. I’m not in PB shape so it would more to set a marker of where I am as well as a good marathon session. Its $25 plus petrol vs $83 (yes thats about £50 in real money
Sorry to hear about the injury Hazel, take it easy hope it heals quickly.
Great threshold run AWC.
Glad you’re back healthy NE.
Super, super-early, running as ever Tom.
Great session John, I always find it hard to keep the pace up on the “off” section of those so nice work averaging LT overall. Personally I’d do the road HM, but then I don’t think I’ve ever done a trail race!?
No boredom on my side SQ
Impressed you even attempted that session with that ice, not pleasant at all.
Nice early MLR Steve.
Regarding MLRs, I usually enjoy them, certainly more than LT runs. They can be hard work the day after a threshold session though.
I had originally hoped to do my long run later in the week, but today was the only day I could make work so I was out of the door at 6. I thought the wind was going to be the problem but as SQ said, it was very icy. I had no confidence underfoot and after almost binning it a few times I dropped back to a slightly easier effort. Still had a few slides at times but stayed upright. Not much fun, wind is bad enough but I hate running in icy conditions as you can't relax and enjoy the run. Probably as much mental training as physical today! I tried to embrace my inner Zátopek:
Although his other quote “today we die a little” came to mind as I ran along the bypass hoping I didn’t hit any ice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmiPIstRZj4
Its very sad now reading about his exile and how he was treated, and what it did to him.