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OK, let's have another heated debate:-)
Marathon running shoes. What are people planning on?
I've done 6 marathons now in...
1. Asics 2060s
2. Asics 2060s
3. Asics DS Lyte
4. Mizuno Wave Phantom
5. Nike Streak Ekiden
6. Nike Streak Ekiden.
So really as I've got quicker, weaned myself onto lighter shoes. It'll be Ekidens again.
What do people think about the relative merits in going for as light a shoe as possible (this can take a fair chunk off your time) as opposed to cushioning etc.?
For me (as Peter Taylor says;-)) I don't mind my legs being beat up at the end as they will be anyway as long as I get through the race in the lightest possible shoe.
For maximum benifit the trainers that I train in weigh about as much as a small car
As some of you know a succession of injuries have led me to get into competitive cycling - which requires a bit time commitment. But I still want to keep running and reckon I can do about 3 sessions a week. I have access to a track if necessary. What do people think would be the best mix of training sessions ?
I'd like to be able to maintain a short 37 minute 10k pace and race half marathons with the possibility of a winter marathon with a couple of months concentrated running training in the build up.
At the moment I tend to do 150-175 miles a week on the bike which isn't huge but it's been enough for steady progress this year -my TT times have come down and I'm dropping people that were dropping me earlier in the year - and I can still fit some running alongside that. If I had to up the cycling to progress then I'd have to think hard but until that time I'd like to do both.
You seem to enjoy the time trails, though this is only one aspect. If I were you I would try myself in road races or even would explore the track if you can, you would enjoy the 4000m team trail. Those training on the track have always quicker legs than those who don't. The racing would help you to gain more experience in the tactics, something which is very very important. The time trail is a safe option, wheras the road race is the thriller
Track is difficult because there are no proper velodromes round here - there are tracks and I do have a fixed that would be useable if I took the back brake off but the track nights for beginners are both on Fridays when my partner goes to her running club - may try and get down to one over the winter though.
I seem to remember you were doing big miles URR. The most anyone I know personally does is 300 miles a week.
I was more a "rolleur" type, tyring to break away from the peloton and I did well in very difficult longer races (with a serious climb every lap). Did reasonably well on the track 3000m in 3:53 where you have to maintain a high pace.
In my teens it was about 300mpw, usually 2-2:30h after school with various "chain gangs", serious pace, no sightseeing trip
Paris 96, Reebok racers tore my feet apart on a day of 28 degree C pulled out at 30K
Never ran in Reeboks again!
Venice 96
London 97
Madrid 98
London 99
Manchester 99
Dublin 00
Amsterdam 03
All in asics DS trainers or Gel Lytes
The first 3 I got quicker after that I was coached for 3 & got slower!
That had little to do with shoes but I've trained in NB 900 or NB 832's this year [used to use asics Kayanos] for my long runs & was going to race in them, but SiT said I should try my Nike Spectrum Plus racers with Paula wore in her WR races!
They feel very lightweight but supportive,
I'm fit feel a PB is on so every second counts for this one so maybe give them ago.
Will decide in next few days :-)
popsider, I'm not sure what you should choose but in your position I'd want to find out what's causing you to get running injuries.
Your cycling routes sound fantastic, the running down here is fine but the roads can get very busy & not good for cycling
I'd rather run 1:20 1/2's regular than get injured all the time.
So I'd go with what keeps you active & healthily.
I just don't get injured, so it's hard to understand, I'm guess it's my good luck in life :-)
BR/BT - already just about written off the orthotics and just concentrating on building the mileage up very very gently at 10% per week only this time.
Simon
The downside might be laying concrete blocks on a Friday the day before an XC race.
Being in a school, office must really knock your health.
I'm also lucky in the fact that most of the people we work for don't smoke & are against it, quite odd in the building trade!
What I've learn't to do this summer is look after my back, partly to do with me starting a spors massage course in November.
I also read somewhere, that what we do know effects our later live's
My dad used to jump from the top scaffold of a house into the sand, now he has a bad hip & knees!
So take care & look after that body :-)
How many over wieght men in the UK spend hours polishing a car & don't care about what really matters!
A dirty car still goes from A - B!!!!!!!!
a fat man dies early.......
BT, those last 2 lines are going to be one of my favourite running quotes...
Being in a school does mean I can take the weight off my feet in marathon week (unless I go to Disneyland)!!
My favorite quote is "If you want to be a good runner, choose the right parents"
Considering i was told i had a "deformed" set of legs as a child--I dont do too badly
hippo, you do quite well, I think :-)
Can we train our bodies to burn fat instead of glycogen?
Seeing as there will hardly be an ounce of fat on us is it pointless even thinking about it?
Its just that it is the most efficient way to generate energy so I am wondering how we make it happen.
Know what you mean about being 'lean & mean', my body fat is only supposed to be 5%
I was also thinking today, if your useing energy drinks in a marathon, would you ever run out of carbohydrate & need to use fat as fuel?
In theory you should be able to.
Not sure how much I'd need either!
hippo, I could have stayed in bed this morning, but it felt good to be out when I was running :-)
So what is your decision for Amsterdam - are you going to try the racers?
Simon
Tim - can't be done in practice as absorption rates are too low. Also, lactate levels need to be lower and that burns more fat by default. (I think...)
Legs feel fine after Sunday to I'm going to give them ago!
It was the flames along the side that did it for me in the end :-)