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Grumpy old man resents ID cards. Anyone else feel the same?
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How do you get one in the first place - i.e. how do you prove who you actually are. Turn up at the enrollment office with a copy of your gas bill?
What about birth certificate? I have two birth certificates, both of which have different names to the name I currently use.
Maybe base it on driving licence or passport? According to official figures, a few thousand fraudulent applications are detected for both driving licences and passports each year. How many go undetected?
Alternatively, get a fake driving licence from a third world country. Swap it for a british licence at Swansea and hey-presto, you've got an ID card.
Selective enforcement.
If you're white, middle class, etc. you are less likly to be stopped and asked for your ID than if you are a bit "foreign looking".
Incidentally, I don't use any drugs, legal or otherwise. Rather be running.
Well I know exactly where you will be on a certain day in Feb - and you'll be dead easy to spot, so If I just walk over and hand you some junk Mail do I win the challenge ;-)
Look at the goverment's track record on databases and ID numbers.
There are more than 80 million national insurance numbers currently in use, for a UK population of 65 million.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are wrongly listed on the criminal records database.
You want that integrated into a national ID database?
Roughly 1 in 5 cards (credit, bank, etc.) is lost or stolen every year.
If we have to have an ID card in our wallets as well, then that could be 10 million ID cards that will be gone with them.
Not only will you need to pay a lot of money for a replacement, there will be vast numbers of lost/stolen cards in circulation.
& I should hope you can find me some time before Feburary. Junk email will do fine though. & one red herring - my email & address aren't on the site my profile's linked to, so don't deluge anyone on there
Fish - agree!
Burden of proof.
Things done with your ID card will automatically be assumed to be done by you.
Suppose someone nicks your card and uses it to rent a load of videos and doesn't return them.
You notice the card missing a few days later and report it.
How do you prove that you didn't nick the videos?
Right - there's your challenge. Track me down & start junk mailing!
Just wondering if you have a Welsh sounding name with the Initials CO?
Did you run Cardiff in 2003?
MK
Right to anonymity.
Would you take part in a public protest. Anti-war, anti-hunt, pro-hunt, pro-choice, pro-life, whatever?
Join a few hundreds or thousands, wave banners and protest peacefully.
Now, ask yourself would you do so if you had to identify yourself to the police beforehand?
I wonder how often they will change the photos on these ID cards, get a new passport a couple of years ago and my hair is very different now, look nothing like my photo.
Do you want me to tell you on here??
If you have an anomyous (sp) email account
I can tell you by email.
It really wasn't that hard.
MK
errr no definately not.
The Rwandan genocide was largely fuelled by ID cards. Everyone had a card which identified them as been Hutu or Tutsi. Wrong ID card - bye bye.
Those nice, democratically elected Germans in the 1930s had a very efficient ID card system. It made it easy to identify Jews, Poles, etc.
You also competed in a 1400m boat race on 31st Jan 2004 where your crew came 4th ?
MK
Boat race - probably! Think actually I crabbed twice so it was more like last
FAB - Fair enough.
Final point, there are *no* problems for which ID cards are the solution.