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Well I love watching some sports, but I prefer doing them.
However, our society needs to take responsibility for the fact that some people never have a chance to be the best they could be. We are a me-me society and we s**t on chavs and we s**t on people in the 3rd world. Its fine talking about it but who here would actually take action????
perhaps we should ask the govenrment to lock them up in camps and starve them till they become nutition experts like the rest of us
oh dear, im intelligent and know about healthy diet and im overweight ..wonder how that could happen
similarly, 'dieters'. my mother is a morbidly obese tub of lard. she understands healthy eating, but over the years has got herself into a state of almost-permanent food hysteria. chocalate and sweets are more than 'treats', they are an obsession. she is always dieting 'from monday', in which case she stuffs her face with chocolate before her diet starts, or she is on a diet, but she slipped and ate a chocolate bar so now she 'feels low', and is eating chocolate to comfort herself. too huge lies of the diet/food industry in operation here. 1) chocolate etc are 'treats' 'pleasure' 'comfort' that people on diets should deny themselves. this inevitably just leads to cravings. 2) "will power". to dieters, this is an external attribute. my mother thinks some people are given willpower like others are given long legs, or blonde hair. ie it isn't her fault if she eats, its her willpower's.
my only point there is that she KNOWS how to cook. she knows whats healthy. her doctor has told her she'll be dead within 5 years, and she needs an operation but cant have it until she loses weight. yet still she eats shit continually.
so there's two classes of people who cookery classes wont help. chavs and dieters.
normal people who happen to be overweight, already have the wherewithall to change if they need to. but these other categories wont change voluntarily.... actually, stomach stapling is probably the best solution for them. it would be the only thing to stop my ma eating herself to death.
OMG
I totally understand the diet thing-and thats why i acept my 3 spare stone-i dread that trap
Its a very unhappy place
it isnt just education
it isnt always about that
sorry, too serious, but i thik I might understand this one
i have the willpower to finish ultras
but
anyway
im off to bed
give your mum a big hug
xxx
I agree with you Candy that a lot of people seem to get into a rut in which they almost pursuade themselves they'll always be like that, and look for someone to blame. What really suprised me was the teenager's lack of understanding about nutrition etc and her refence to health farms. She seemed to be mocking her father for thinking doing excersise and eating less would help her lose weight - her mum didnt help by pretty much pursuading her to blame her genetics not the crap she'd been fed throughout her life!
(haven't read the whole of this thread so i do apologize if i'm repeating what's been said!)
I think there's a lot more to that situation than lack of willpower and bad food choices. Nobody can get THAT fat just because they don't know how to read food labels (in fact, it would probably be possible to prove, statistically, that food labelling causes obesity).
Must admit, though, when Helen's parents were arguing and the camera focused on Helen's face and the little cow looked as if she was ENJOYING it...oh, how my hand itched to give her a slap!
I think i see where you are coming from, and in that case the break down in her parents relationship might well have had a big effect on her eating.
However, there are some people I think who don't really have anything to 'blame' as such, and just eat far too much. To some extent we all use food as an 'escape' - i'm first to reach for the chocolate during exam time! I suppose it's knowing when to stop that people should be more aware of. 'Everything in moderation' is v.true - but their ideas of moderation are VERY different to most people's i should think, and it seemed they were not really aware of this.
I see it at home too. My parents know what is healthy and my sister too. But my mum thinks that if you eat healthy, you can eat as much as you want. My dad loves food and doesn't want to give it up (he eats to much in restaurants, it's not the fast food). My sister is an emotional eater. It's not she loves food to much or is hungry all the time. She eats, because she has lots of stress, doesn't feel good about herself.
I was an emotional eater. And I ate out of boredom. I've now more control, but I still have times where it gets out of control (like when I have exams).
One of the things that Helen's mother said about the surgery was that it was just a 'Tool' to help in losing weight.
The thing about Tools is, they're there to do a job and then you put them away until you need them again. With surgery, it's slightly more permanent and you can't just 'flip a switch' to allow you to eat more on special occasions.
I only noticed the comment because when I speak to people about Weight Management plans, I always say they should treat it as a toolbox for fixing that part of their life, in the same way that a carpenter would have a toolbox to help them do their job.
i've done it twice, once in my late teens when i stopped training due to an anterior cruciate ligament injury, once in mid-20s due to driving a motorbike through a wall.
hopefully i wont get injured again - i've given all my 44 waist trousers to the charity shop!
but when i decide to not be a slob, it has to be a change forever. not a diet. if you're on a diet, you're denying yourself things, and changing your activities for a short time, to lose weight and look different. that only leads to scale checking and being disheartened. its what my mum does.
i never get weighed, but when i exit slob mode, i train a lot and eat healthily and cut down on booze and stop smoking (unless completely pissed) forever. all those things, forever. and i dont check progress (other than running times), i just buy new clothes when the other ones get too big.
i'm probably telling you nothing you dont know anyway though.
and as soon as i get put out of action for a few months i'll flip into slob mode anyway!
There are many factors as to why people are overweight.
I think that modern life, lack of exercise, lack of willpower, are all components.
But one issue which hasn't be factored in is rationing.
I was talking to my parents recently and they grew up during the rationing era (1940/50's)
and very few people from their generation are/were overweight.
They ate but not to excess because food was rationed.
They also did not have todays conveniences such as cars, escalators etc.
I think that people need to be educated that there bodies require only certain amounts of fuel (food) and that there bodies are required to move without the aid of cars, escalators each and every time.
This would be a start.
How DID we become focused?
Candy - I read some of your earlier posts in this thread (eg, the one about rolling fat people down hills) and could have jumped on the offensive because I normally do for things like that. Your more recent posts (one's near the top of this page) therefore surprised me because I never realised that you'd been overweight before.
I'm not even sure why I go on the offensive anymore about protecting overweight people. I'm not one of them anymore am I? Maybe I still think with a FAT mentality in some ways.
Apologies for thinking wrong of you mate. And respect to you for throwing out the 44 inchers.
As Plodders has said, you are NOT a failure. You can't think that when you've done a Marathon. How many people do you know outside these fora that can say that?
I can count the number of my friends that've done it on the fingers of one hand.