Another canned thread?..

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  • Most societies are based on greed and material possessions. What we need is a socialist utopia based on co-operation and shared wealth.
  • Yep, agree with BR - but with addition of God.

    (just to make SURE this thread goes down the canned route double-quick)
  • Arrrgghhhh.... Quickly Rodale, can the thread! ;)
  • Join the Church of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. It's the only way...
  • Should I report this thread to the moderator with this message?

    "Dear Sir,
    Please can this thread. Even though I am the originator, it has mentioned the words 'God', 'America', 'Spaghetti' & 'Barnsley Runner', hence I find it offensive. Furthermore it contains quasi-serious content, and hence is not suitable for this forum"

    I wonder if that would get it canned?
  • sadly
    any author may ask RW to remove their own thread
  • Oh, best not then. That'd kind of invalidate the experiment.
  • They'd have a job on if I asked them to remove all my threads:-)
  • In fact I might suggest it so it would stop them writing articles about Sex for the magazine and they might have to rehash something about running from the forum.
  • BR - that might get you canned for indecent exposure.
    I shouldn't try it.

    BTW were you at the Millenium Bridge 5k in York a few weeks back?
  • Nooooo!

    The cover photos are bad enough already!
  • yes BR
    there are rather a lot of your threads
  • PH - I like bringing people together:-)

    DG - no. I did think about it but am being more careful about selecting races this year.
  • Ok. Was a fast bloke in a blue Barnsley vest with short hair there.
    I am aware that such a description would apply to many club runners, but can't see much more from your photo on here.
  • Yes I know him. I see him a couple of times per year at races. He's a doctor. So young, so handsome and so fast. Every time I meet him he's been ill for 3 months, not trained then it takes every sinew to beat him:-)
  • ILL?
    a doctor?
    that isnt right
  • Im safely on the forum still :o)

    I must admit when I posted the thread I wasnt aware the situation was so bad (in light of this I agree it was in bad taste).

    I guess its come as a surprise to a lot of people that the situation has been allowed to deteriorate so far by a country that arguably has unlimited means at its disposal.

    There is an interesting debate on the news as to whether the reason for this is lack of planning, lack of will or just a bunch of lelf involved agencies (that shirts with very large letters) arguing over who is responsible for what.

    The original thread was a tongue in cheek comment about American domestic and foreign policy and was an attempt to draw some parellels between various world events and the involvement of the USA. The thread was worded to court controversy and stimulate debate which it certainly did. Some of the things were badly worded and put across resulting in some heated discussion resulting in someone suggesting I supported terrorists (yea im still trying to work that out to - maybe they should have a look at my last controversial thread entitles 'should we be allowed to torture terrorists'.

    Anyway the thread has been deleted and I didnt actually see the reason why and just assume it was a combination of it being deemed innapropriate.

    'Rodale Publishing sells a lot mags in the U.S, so anything even remotely anti-American has to be canned' does give some food for thought though and loosely links in with the sentiments of some of the things I expressed.

    After writing this I expect this thread to go the same way but im a believer in free speech, healthy discussion and controversy as long as its hurting no one. The last time I looked unless your preaching hatred we can say what we want although a multinational private company obviously reserves the right to moderate areas under its own responsibility.
  • It does raise some very important questions about how people react in a situation where there is no discernable law and order. I'll bet there's many examples over there of people pulling together and helping each other but that doesn't make a `good' news story.

    It also struck me that in day 2 the priority became to save property from looting, rather than people from drowning.

    You are left wondering if a disaster has struck (say) Washington DC or New York if the response might have been a little swifter and more focused than it seems to have been for Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama...
  • I doubt they are deliberately not rescuing anyone because they are poor or for any other reason.
    Gross incompetance and complete lack of direction and control for the response and a woefully inadequate plan of action possibly, but I wouldn't suggest that the human beings in relevant positions in New Orleans that can or should organise this are deliberately not rescuing people in favour of property. I would however, suggest that they don't know that that is what they are actually doing.

    I'm sure things would go much better in Washington DC, due to the different approaches to life of the the two cities, not because the government sees it as more important.

    I may just be niave of course.
  • A frequent discussion in the US is about the size of goverment. New Orleans gives a taste of what little/no goverment might be like. I wonder if it would make a difference in how Americans view governement and what role the govt should have in provinding safety nets.


    btw I dont think the fact that RW is part of an American company has anything to do with canning the thread - if you want to find out about your thread Carl, all you have to do is ask RW.

    Also be careful about "saying what we want" - the atmosphere on some tri threads is unpleasant because of people saying what they want.
  • My thoughts on the problem sorting this out:

    a) lots of hurricaines in the past and USA had a false sense of security that the problems would be equivilent, i.e. didnt anticipate the massed flooding (which is surprising).

    b) logistics and management of expectations, US citizens are not like those from the 3rd world, i.e. used to surviving in hardship, here I mean sever hardship though recorgnise many of the poverty stricken american citizens still have it pretty bad. In general I mean an air drop of rice and blankets does not go to meet american expectations as it would do for people in say Sri Lanka.

    c) Massive logistical problem, when you consider how much is required to feed, house, sanitise, clothe and provide medical assistance for say 1000 people its reasonable to expect that to do so for perhaps 500,000 spread accross an area greater than twice the size of the UK without reliable infrastructure it will be a massive task.

    I think people forget the size of the USA, those aid trucks we saw arriving in New Orleans may of had to be driven 500 or 1000 miles, it does take time to organise them.

    I think the preoblems will have been caused by delays in this organisation, how many agencies departments would have to have cooperated to arrange for 500 school coaches, or the unlaoding of munitions from milatary vehicles to be replaced by food.

    Overall I think the problem is very similar to that which caused the USA Gran Prix to run with just 6 cars, i.e. a problem is presented with numerous solutions but due to the intricacies of power and accountability for things like budgets within a modern democracy solutions are made more complicated and protracted. Its different from Somalia in that direct coordinated aid was provided by willing organisiations where there was a cohesive and single goals to get stuff moving. In the USA the politics have created barriers to that cohesion.
  • I to dont believe its there was any conspriacy to not help people just a lot of poor judgment from those in charge.

    Im a bit concerned about the line they are taking on looting now, ok if someones walking out of a house with a TV thats one thing but if people are desperate, taking clothes, food or drink seems pretty fair game to me.
  • The TV pictures last night showed lots of heavily armed police protecting - a supermarket.

    I'm aware it's hard to tell what the full story is from maybe a minute of TV footage.

    But if correct, is more than worrying.
  • What was also worrying were the scenes of the helicopters dropping off supplies with those young and able bodied running and snatching it all.

    There seems little coordination on the group.

    I dont get how they could evacuate 20,000 people to the Super Dome and not have say 2000 people there to look after them, there is dry ground around the Superdome you wood have thought with a bot of organisation and dicipline and a chain of Heliocpters ferrying supplies that something better could have been achieved. The USA must has about 20,000 military helicopters, at least 5000 must be in the USA at any one time.
  • meant little coordination on the ground.
  • very very sad ... sad to say im not surprised it appears to be the american way..... thats just my humble opionion(sp)
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