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Out for another 4 miles today legs so much better. I returned from my run very happy that I've looked at doing another marathon this year. The one I think I will run is the Loch Rannoch marathon in October. Looking at the event it says flat with a little undulations however I do know where the event is up the Highlands thier small undulations areally normally decent hills.
Shades- based on entering this marathon as I have never attempted 2 in a year what training plan should I follow. Should I keep to the one you provided for Stirling, I am a total novice when it comes to running more than 1 a year and am pretty clueless and would appreciate any advice.
You're certainly keeping yourself busy doing all your rehab exercises and cross training, I know it's not the same as running but it's the best you can do. That's good that you have your X-ray now as if by any remote chance you had a stress fracture it may not have shown up early into the injury, whereas now if you have a SF it will show as it heals. But the most important thing is that if clear it will dismiss the uncertainty of wondering if you had a SF.
There are many ways of getting injured, but most of our injuries as distance runners are overuse injuries. That doesn't necessarily mean you were doing too much/too fast/too hard: it means more than your body could cope with at the time and it doesn't mean that you were doing anything wrong. None of us are perfect human specimens, we all have our own physical weaknesses and imbalances and many of us didn't do a lot of exercise before deciding we wanted to run lots and lots of miles and there comes a time when our bodies just can't cope. Injuries are a normal part of distance running, I think you're into your 2nd year of marathon running and that generally is often when injuries start to happen. But you will get through this and come out a stronger person and run those races that are on your list, sometimes they may have to be postponed but they will happen.
I'm following the Hungarian 6 day race, link in previous post above. Unfortunately 17 hours (85km) into the race my friend sneezed and put her back out and has had to stop. She's doped up on the painkillers and has to watch the other runners continuing on including her husband, but she's not given up hope and if the pain eases enough she will rejoin the race. I know she will have trained really hard for this race and the planning that goes into a 6 day race so she must be really gutted.
steven - glad you're recovering well and now looking for another marathon.
I've never done Loch Rannoch marathon but from what I've heard it's a lovely race, I've just looked at the results and there were a few sub 3 hours in a small field of 166 so I would say it's not too hilly. You might see some runners you know from other races/clubs in the results and that often is a good indication how hard the course actually is...
I've just added it to my ever growing 'wish list' as it looks lovely https://runnation.co.uk/r/run-scotland-loch-rannoch-marathon-2018
Re training, once your half marathon is done and you've recovered plan your training for your autumn marathon. Keep your long runs to 12-15 miles (at least once a fortnight) and that will make it easier for you to pick up the longer runs nearer the time. Some of your long runs will need to be done on undulating routes to prepare you well. If you normally run a spring marathon it will be interesting to see how you do training long in the late summer, there's usually a big advantage in training in the summer and racing in the autumn as cooler fresher conditions on race day. If your training plan suited you for Stirling then I wouldn't change anything. But if you do a PB at Alloa we might have to look at your training paces
Feel gutted for for your friend and something as innocent as a sneeze to wipe you out of a race, I've suffered with my back in the past and there's nothing worse as pain is consent even during rest. Finger crossed she will feel better soon.
Thank you Steven
not sure if I get the results today or if I get to see image. Not been for X-ray for years. Says on letter to check doctor has results before making a appointment.
Steven, that looks a great race, and good news you're thinking of another marathon this year.
Ian, have you had any more thoughts on Liverpool?
Shades, am I right in saying that the runners at that 6 day event run around a 1K track for 6 days?! Not sure if that's my cuppa tea! I was looking at a marathon around a 400m track though, but haven't entered it.....
I'm feeling marginally more spritely today so will be jogging a parkrun this morning. Then I'll watch a session of the snooker before driving up to Dorset, where I hope to watch most of another session, head out for some food, and then watch the final session
Also, the group I go with have decided not to go to Sheffield next year. Barry Hearn (the promoter) has put the prices up a fair bit - each session of snooker is at least £10 more, which is a big increase (£22 to £32 for the cheapest Round 1 sessions). Some of the later sessions (i.e., later in the day, but also later in the tournament) have gone up more than that, so we're reluctantly binned the idea, which is a shame. A friend has mentioned Riga 2019, which has a world ranking event tournament, where the accommodation and tournament tickets are cheap. That may be interesting, if that happens.
Jelly-Good luck and keep up the hard work.
Big G-That's a massive % increase for the snooker.
I'm going to try a couple of long runs this week and see how it feels,I need to decide by the end of next week.
I did a marathon around a 400m track last year,it wasn't as bad as I thought,positives are aid stations where you want,easy access to toilets,and if someone is there you can see them a lot.Only negatives were,it's pretty boring running a small loop and if there's a lot running you can add a fair bit of distance by overtaking.
I had an x-ray for suspected SF a few years ago, I rang the doctors for the results as the x-ray was clear there was no need for a docs appointment. I think I just asked the radiologist when the results would be sent to G.P.
Big G - yes, a one km loop, but at this race they have cabins for accommodation, a lot of these events you have to camp in a tent so having a cabin is 5* accommodation. I can't master a 24 hour event (yet) so 6 day has never been on my to do list, although a running friend did offer to coach me for a 6 day event, I believe he was very good at them quite a few years ago, I have declined his kind offer.
That's an outrageous hike in prices for the snooker at Sheffield, I'd go to Riga if I were you.
Hope the traffic is kind to you today. Good luck for your double, if you see my car at NDVM, red with Maverick Runners sticker I have a couple more copies of RW for you
Hope the longer runs go well.
I've never done a marathon round a track, I know I would run badly having a definite distance to run. Yet I've done 6/12/24 hour races round a track but the distance run is up to me so it's a different mind set. I've done a marathon round a park, 1km laps, varied areas of the park and not flat and I enjoyed that, did a PB and I think that was the day mowzer was 1st lady and ran a PB too.
Thanks Shades, I'll keep a look out for your car. I have downloaded a few Marathon Talk podcasts to listen to in the car for the journeys, so I'll be fine.
Fingers crossed the long runs go well then Ian! I remember you doing a track marathon last year. I am tempted with one, but we'll see.
I did a parkrun today, plus 1.5 miles there and back. I usually run the 1.5 miles there and back, but walked it today due to the events this weekend and not wanting to do too much. I felt quite good during the run though - not sure of time but think I probably averaged around 8s on the parkrun and felt okay. I'll check the numbers later, but it seemed a busy one today, with lots of parkrun tourists there, presumably in the area for the BH weekend.
https://hubpages.com/sports/Running-on-Hard-Surfaces-may-be-Better-than-Running-on-Soft-Surfaces
but if you do run make sure the surface is very even, if you're going for grass, a golf course is good, but you might get chased by angry golfers
Big G - see you tomorrow
I was talking to LP and RP this morning at parkrun and she did MK a few years ago, in what seemed like arctic conditions. She wore a running jacket the whole way and was still bitterly cold, she said the normally tranquil lakes looked like the sea due to the wind, and it just sounded awful! It was the same weekend as this year, so just goes to show how varied the weather can be.
Today's parkrun was 23:00, so actually a bit quicker than 8s. Also a bit quicker than "a jog", which is what I said I was going to do
I didn't attempt to run on Friday, but that was down to a crap night's sleep. Nothing to do with shingles - just couldn't seem to fall asleep (something that rarely happens - I normally fall asleep fine but wake up too soon). Today I volunteered at parkrun, as standing in the sun for an hour seemed healthier than sitting on my arse. I did plenty of that in the afternoon. As it happens, I spent ages building something in a game I'm playing, only for it to crash to desktop so I'll have to go back and do it again. So, sulking a bit, I went out and had a little run. Walked to the common, jogged two miles and came home. Very easy pace (just over 11s). Felt OK other than joints hurting due to too much arse sitting this week. I feel fat and bloated. But (despite it being 20 degrees, which I normally don't like to run in) I quite enjoyed it.
I finish my tablets today, so hopefully I'll feel a bit more myself soon. It'll take a good while for the rash to go away and the lymph nodes to go down but I'm positive about Liverpool - my main worry isn't being ill, it's the fact I've missed a key training week and haven't run further than 10 miles since Manchester. Similar thing happened last year with the hamstring and that affected me a lot.
Good luck to all who are running tomorrow and to those who have an injury hopefully your recovery is going well.
Steven-I have chester in October so will be looking forward to that.
Great day today,tranmere won early in the play offs so a Wembley trip next Saturday now,then let the hottest weather pass but it was still pretty warm when I ran about 5,was hoping for 16 but as I've ran no more than 13 since January I went to birkenhead park to do some laps.As it was I managed the 16 but it was feeling tougher at the end,had 650ft of climb so not pancake flat so really happy,achilles felt fine during the run but very tender now.
Ian - well done on the 16. So I won't be the only Shadie doing Chester.
I nipped out for 4 miles this morning and it was already very warm. Went veeeeery slowly. Lots of little aches and pains. I was tempted to go for 6 miles as I felt OK, health-wise, but my TFL was giving me little warning signals so I decided not to risk it as if the TFL goes, it's game over. I know it's because I'm currently as rigid as the statue of David, having done nothing for a week. I usually continue with yoga when I can't run, but most of the classes are too hot and too strenuous to be a good idea with shingles (not to mention I couldn't lie on my back).
But I'm going to Yin today, and hopefully stretch all those bits out.
Saw Big G before the start but he'd already left for MK by the time I finished.
steven - good news that your entry is in for your next marathon, that didn't take long
Ian - that's a good long run, hope the achilles eases quickly, you seem to be managing it well
Cal - so good that you're feeling positive about Liverpool, sometimes we just have to make the best of it. That TFL doesn't like it if you're not keeping mobile and flexible, does it.
right, Chanel No 5 bath now
They made a good point. If a person races a 5K hard in the winter, and someone else stands in a winter jacket etc, cheering them on, they may still be chilly but the runner will finish, possibly with steam coming from their heads, and very hot. That's how much heat the body generates, so they were saying that reducing pace is easiest way to lower temperature in hot conditions.
Big G-Another good effort in the heat,I reckon you'll be well under 5 tomorrow,hope it goes well.I actually listened to that podcast as I was doing my run yesterday.
Seeing the difference in times has made me think my 3:43 in GC was even better than I thought at the time esp with the achilles issue aswell.Shows the training was working well so gives me a good focus for the autumn.
I'll do my best tomorrow, but last year I went over 5hrs at a hot one. I'm not great in the heat and I'm not sure how much shade there is on the course. But I'll do my best anyway.
I would have been accurate with my potential time when I entered, and surprisingly I'm in the first pen tomorrow.
Big G - well done, that's a good run in those conditions and especially as you had to bear in mind you were going to do another one today.
I love the course at NDVM, it was a beautiful day and the scenery is amazing. At 3 miles we had a hot air balloon to our right and to our left a river without a ripple and 20 swans in the nearby field. But they had been doing a lot of muck spreading in the last few days and a lot of countryside aromas. Did you see the pigs all asleep in the sun in the marshy part of their field, they barely raised an eyelid when we passed.
The shirts are lovely and I like the medal and the ribbon, a nice touch. Unfortunately I didn't get the XS shirt as they accidentally gave away the ladies small at the finish before realising they weren't the same as the small, but they apologised profusely as they gave me the bag, but I might be able to wear it.
Good luck today, not a day to think about time.
Ian - yes, factor in the warmer weather at GC and you did a very good performance there.
I'm just waiting for 7 a.m. and once I've booked my Pilates class I'd better get out for that recovery run
Right, enough of ranting about snacks.
Hope it goes well for you, Big G.
Well, I hope I haven't overdone it today. Went out just before 7 (having forgotten completely that it was a bank holiday, so there would be less traffic) and was enjoying the run so much I ended up doing 10 miles. Easy pace (10:49 average). All the niggly bits were minor and the TFL was fine - I guess it's happy I'm moving a bit more.
I encountered one of my clubmates, Lucie, twice, as she was running around the common in the opposite direction. I'd had the pleasure of seeing her finish first at Tooting parkrun on Saturday - I think that's the first time Tooting's had a female first finisher. A couple of years ago when I started doing parkrun she was running heavily pregnant and still getting in the top three ladies.
Anyway, I'm going to take it easy for the rest of the day - might have a nap if I feel tired this afternoon. Hopefully my immune system will be fine. The lymph gland is still prominent but no longer hurts (initially that whole hip was sore, enough that I couldn't lie on that side) and the rashy bit is now just dry and scabby (yum!).
As far as pacing for Liverpool goes, I'm in a bit of a quandry. My original plan was the same as Manchester - hang with the 4:15 guy for as long as I could. But now, I'm recovering from shingles, have missed a chunk of training and it'll be a bit warmer, not to mention hillier, so what do you more exprienced folks think?
Stopped on return run to look for my kingfisher as not seem him since the floods but he wasn't there, did see a mallard with 8 ducklings probably about a week old
Good news, my friend who hurt her back in the first day of her 6 day race is back out there running/walking again and over 200km now, amazing considering she had to take a 38 hour break, she is tough.
At Connemara my friend who is training for an Ironman and tries to avoid refined sugars had a few dates to get her round the marathon plus a 30 gram sachet of almond butter so I've bought a couple of sachets but thought yesterday was too hot to try that out and really I was thinking of using that in ultras but I might try in a marathon first. I think the almond butter would line my stomach well.
You seem to really be recovering well and quickly from shingles which is great news.
Re your race at Liverpool, I really think you have to assess how you feel on the day and if you feel good stick to your original plan even though you know you might slow more than hoped for in the latter stages. If you don't feel 100% or the conditions are tough then a much more conservative run to enjoy the day.
It was still around 22° when I got home from work so went out for a 6 mile run with last 3 miles a little quicker than mp. Felt a couple of twinges in my hamstrings so I think keep my next few runs at an easy pace.