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I'm looking at next Autumns plans,does anyone know of any halfs that are ran when they do fulls so I can take OH with me? I've seen Eindhoven but not sure of any others?
Ian, I think Bruges, Munich, Palma de Mallorca and Brussels all have both distances. I didn’t actually run Brussels (illness) so can’t comment on that really. Sofia has as well, but I’ve not done that one yet. San Sebastián does too but that’s November so possibly a bit late?
In terms of a time, I loved Bruges, but there could be a potential issue with times. I wasn’t impacted by it but when I did it the website said something about a train may cross and stop the race, and any time stood there would be taken off the race time. I thought I’d mention that as I did wonder what would happen for GFA etc. As I say I wasn’t impacted anyway. Palma was really hot when I did it! I think Munich Half starts a couple of hours or so after the marathon, and starts at a different place so I suppose logistics could be a slight problem for two of you.
My prediction from Sunday was about right,at halfway I was 4607,and finished 3525 so took over nearly 1100,or a quarter of the people ahead of me.
Honk - there's no hope for you once you join this thread, didn't take long at all for you to enter another one!
How about your nephew, is he still in the 'never again' mode?
Ian - no chance of OH signing up for a marathon yet then?
That's a lot of runners to overtake in a race
Big G - long tiring day for you, but if it's any consolation if you'd travelled earlier there was a 7.5 mile tailback due to a car fire on Telegraph Hill, that was at tea time. Hope the achilles isn't too bad today.
When you surface today can you let me know your October marathons please, I only have you down for Loch Ness at the moment.
I think I have everyone else's, one for Cal, one for Ian, one for Louey. Not sure about Keith?
6 miles today, very strong headwind on my run out, had to come back the same way as too dark for the unlit back road, rain for the last 10 minutes but it's warm, about 16 degrees.
Shades-She mentions possibly doing one occasionally but not got round to it yet.
It felt like I was overtaking a lot,that was despite a slower last mile when I wouldnt have took over many.
Yes, I saw that about the tail backs. Sounds like I was lucky in that regard then.
Ian, that’s really great running and those splits were brilliant. I think there’s an issue with mine though as my official splits and certificate show different finish places. I did (purposefully) slow but not by that much as you can see in the splits (1:41:30/1:45:34 isn’t *that* bad) so I was surprised when one set of data shows that 5000 overtook me in the last 2.2k! The certificate may be more accurate for me possibly as certainly people were streaming past when I was getting a pic taken, but 5000 seemed unlikely.
Even though I'm racing a 10k, I stuck with the usual HM workout, so 8 miles with 2 at HM pace and some strides. Miles came out at 6:06/6:21, first one was too fast, but second was in the right ballpark for HM/LT pace.
looking at it again,on the race report I think those 5k positions are how you did in that 5k,rather than the race as a whole,so for the last bit you were 11000th from 40k to the finish,which fits with you getting pics.
The only bit that's wrong on mine is the time/km,it appears to be based on gross time,rather than net.
indoor recovery cycle ride this morning and I need to at least attend tonights club session to pick up some stuff so may well join the social pace group for a 5k.
back to work tomorrow
Thanks Steve, I hope so.
Big G, good splits.
Out for 8 miles this morning. Decided to wait until 9 as I wasn't ready to run at 6.30am (if I don't get out by that point, I'll end up competing with the school run, which is a massive pain). Glad I did as it was quite pleasant with a little sunshine. Started to rain the moment I got back so my timing was impeccable.
A small amount of discomfort from the groin after I stopped, but amazingly, nothing at all from the achilles. I can't remember that being the case in a long time. (And now I'm suspicious! I hope it's not saving it up for York!).
That's an awful lot, too many really, to overtake in a race. Maybe a combination of they started too far forward and you starting a bit too far back. It's nice to overtake a few but after a while it can become irritating and means weaving about a bit to get past.
Big G - thanks for your list, will be interested to hear about Sofia. I've entered Davey's on the Saturday and he's just commandeered me for the Bickleigh drink station on the Sunday so I have a free entry to use up next year
Re your splits/placing didn't we have this issue before? I have a feeling that it might be something to do with the total placing includes women but the earlier placings are for male only. A lot of the oversea races produce separate results for male and female and then seem to lose the plot when consolidating them.
Honk - glad you're recovering well and your nephew is also thinking about 'next time'
Cal - that's close enough to be very convenient, so an even better deal.
I think you might have early signs of taper fever worrying about bits not hurting that you expect them to
Run done, Pilates done, gym done and I remembered to eat my protein snack when I finished, nuts and biltong today.
Shades, yes, I found Yorkshire marathon's results confusing as there was conflicting information there as well, and it didn't tie in with what I thought happened in the race (you may remember I had a delayed start, so started a long way back and overtook a lot of people, but the results didn't really show that). I wrote to Yorkshire actually, but didn't get a satisfactory answer. I'm not too bothered as obviously not in danger of winning/placing anything!!
Ian, are you going to enter Berlin again? I see the ballot system is open now. Or with your new time, are you guaranteed an entry now? Or do you just fancy something different, regardless?
How's the knee today?
Shades-It's better but still not right,will give it a day or 2 more.
Doesn't Berlin have another race too, on line skating, is that distorting the results, in overall finishers perhaps?
Ian - that's promising re the knee.
Shades, not sure. The skating was the day before, so presume those results would be separate, but I haven't actually checked that.
I found a YouTube link of the whole race, so I've watched that this morning. Obviously knowing the result/outcome, it was amusing to hear the commentators say Bekele would be happy to settle with a top 3 position at 31k when he didn't respond to a surge in pace and dropped off.
It's so hard to resist rebooking for the following year's race when you've enjoyed the event so much. That's my problem, if I like a race I want to do it again and again, which is why I'll never do all the races on my wishlist.
I haven't watched the Berlin race, don't seem to have so much time what with the gym plus I'm trying to watch all the interesting bits of the World Athletic Championships too this week. Don't know how I ever found time to work
been looking at my own pacing, not sure exactly where half way was as my garmin measured the distance at 26.46 miles but I did the first 13.2 miles in 2:13:56 then was at 26.4 in another 2:12:35 with my last mile and 0.46 mile being the fastest splits, I don't believe I ever achieved that before when I was running regular marathons, but i'm super pleased with it.
Not sure if its down to:-
a) a more conservative time goal (I was always chasing a pb before that my times at shorter distances suggested was possible but I never achieved. (3:30 target 3:40 pb)
b) better nutrition, never used to worry too much about this maybe the odd jelly baby or Gel as and when I fancied it, relying mainly on sports drink, this time I trained and raced eating sweets (jelly babies, Fangtastics0 on every odd mile, Dates on every even mile plus the odd satchet of honey when I felt like it, (too tight to buy energy gels) probably a lot more food intake there than the average runner I also carried a sports drink to sip between water stations.
C) ive heard the body gets better at endurance as you get older.
D) I dont believe its due to better training, always used to do more runs, more mileage and harder sessions but I believe getting more recovery days works better for me know.
maybe, I was too conservative with my time goal this time this time around, I could certainly of gone faster as felt good at the finish but lack of racing meant I wasnt sure if the 4:30 goal was achievable, probably aim for 4:15 at the next one. in any case I wanted to enjoy this one and not die towards the end having gone off too fast.
one last photo from me, better quality than the others, sums up the day nicely for me as it shows the 3 of us that managed to stick with the 4:30 pacer whittled down from maybe 15 or 20 around the 6 mile mark.
I was out for a 4-miler this morning and it occurred to me another difference. At Rotterdam the bag drop was very disorganised (and time consuming) and was also positioned at the back of the race, a long way from the start line. So after I dropped my bag off, I then had to fight my way through everyone to get to my starting pen towards the front, which I have to say was quite stressful. As well as runners, spectators were lined all along there too. With Berlin, there were gates/entry points along the side of the race into the relevant pens, so much easier to get into position, and only runners were permitted anyway near that start area. Yes, it was busy, but much easier than Rotterdam which was a nightmare in comparison.
Honk, I reckon a big reason you enjoyed the experience so much was because you were sensible at the start. A negative split can be great feeling/motivator when it all comes together like that. As you say, going off too quickly and then fading isn't a nice feeling. Now you've got this one in the bag, you can look at maybe knocking a few minutes off of that at the next one
Big G-I like the fact you have to commit to berlin in the ballot,means you are more likely to have people who are serious about doing it rather than time wasters.
Looks like they've fixed the results on the report now and pics are available,theres a couple I really like so may buy them.
Shades-How was Budapest? Think I remember you saying you did it.
Another 8 miles this morning and I managed to get out early. It was pretty chilly - wore long sleeves and gloves for the first time since early spring. Was going to do 10 but realised part-way through that I didn't really feel like it, and with a half on Sunday it wasn't going to do me any harm to take it a bit easier this week.
I think it's a combination of everything A to D in your list.
Yes, you know that you can go faster at MK if you want to. Maybe if you can find a decent road half marathon before then that will give you some indication.
That's a lot of money £30 for a trail half marathon, where they're not paying for road closures/police etc, trying to make too much money I think. See if you can find a good club race, they are usually much better value. I think I paid about £16 for a good road half this year.
Big G - €125 is an eyewatering price for a marathon, I'm assuming that's without a shirt too. But it's hard to put a price on having a great time and enjoying the marathon too, you could stay home and run around TBL 4 times at that price, but I know which I'd rather do. When I go away I like a nice hotel, so even if I'm on a limited budget I plan and budget for a decent hotel in a convenient location because that's important to me, I like my comforts. I do what I can to save money, booking early etc but I don't want to stay in some crummy place. We all choose what we want to spend our money on.
Ian - I loved Budapest marathon, most of the course is along the Danube, can't remember any hills, just a few bridges, I think some bits were out and back, weather was perfect Big impressive buildings along the way to see with even more impressive statues, great atmosphere. Found the race really friendly, I was able to pick my number up on race morning. Still one of my favourite race shirts, really good fit and quality material. It was 4 years since I was there and then incredibly cheap to eat out etc. Big G was actually there the same weekend, but he was on a lads/beer weekend so probably can tell you more about the city than I can. I intend to go back again, I still have most of the currency left as it was so cheap I spent very little. When I go back again I think I still get €20 off the entry fee for having run the race before.
Circuits done, not so gentle today, he worked us hard. Followed by leg session in the gym. Just had my 2nd breakfast
You've prepared well for Sunday, and York, as you say nothing to be gained by squeezing a couple more miles in now.
Fresh here too this morning, sunny now but still only about 13.
Cal - Yes it was freezing this morning!!
Easy 6 miles today, like Cal said, very cold. I wore thin gloves but my hands were very cold when I got back. Think it was 4c when I went out.
Cal, as you say, nothing to be gained at this point.
7-miles for me this morning. Can definitely still feel Berlin in my legs, so hoping they'll start feeling a bit better for the weekend.