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Big G, Hermes running do Thames Meander, starts at 9.30 on a Saturday and is very close to Kingston parkrun (from memory). Good to hear your club's open to accepting change. Ware Joggers frustrates me, not open to ideas, people get bullied off the committee, I usually get too involved in clubs I have represented in the past but took the decision not to get too involved. I don't use the club much so can take or leave it really however I'm considering 2nd claim at another local club when I'm back running properly.
Shades, each time I see you mention gym or circuits it reminds me to go myself.... still not been for months!
Iain not talking from personal experience but people I've spoke to says about 1 min slower than long slow run pace and put a walk break in every 5-6 miles.
Cozy, I rarely use my club (since joining have been injured) but it's a great outlet for the odd training session. It also opens up a whole new set of races, cross country, midweek leagues, handicap races and also club championships races.
Ian rest and hydrate well and enjoy the warm weather... I'll be having a crack at xc on Sunday, wet windy and muddy.
did 3.5 miles at lunch, squeezed them if, felt rubbish but better than nothing. I have a uni assignment due in next week so trying to balance everything is a bit hectic but had a good week running last week so just need to keep ticking over.
Ian, best of luck with the final prep. Is your wife going with you for this one?
Steve, sorry if I missed it, but how is your OH now? She took a fall recently didn't she?
Robert, I’ve not done Thames Meander before but I have one pencilled in for later in the year. In my club I think/know that Chair does rub some people up the wrong way, but I'm convinced he (and the rest of the committee) has the best interests of the club at heart. He's pretty "old school" in some ways in that he is very keen that we support other local races and clubs if we can. Of course these days there are a lot of companies that do races, but I don't think he'd be keen on having one of those in the Club Champs at the expense of a local club’s race, for example, unless they offered a significant discount. I think his key things are that we put on decent/affordable races, are all inclusive to any ability, and he very much likes to keep the membership fees low (the club subsidises the membership fees quite a lot, but he doesn’t want cost as a barrier). And he's very keen on the social side of things! I suppose those are the key things that he wouldn't really relax his views on, but generally he's pretty flexible and open to whatever is put forward. I dread to think how much time he spends on the club though - he did say in passing one time that it's probably 4-5hrs most days, and even more time in the run up to the DD, which he is RD. I’ve never really got involved in a club before, but I do quite enjoy it.
It's always a tricky and sometimes diplomacy is required re changes as committee members are working for the club for no reimbursement and in their own time.
Cozy - joining a club is a good idea and you don't have to go that often to get the benefits of being a member. Maybe after you've done your marathon and are not committed to a training schedule it would open up different options for you. Unless we talk you into entering another marathon though.
Ian - enjoy meeting up with your friends. Go easy on the beer, don't want to spoil that training and alcohol this close to your race will affect your ability to cope with the warmer weather when running.
Robert - don't feel guilty when I mention gym etc., I do that partly to keep myself on track. Remember I'm on a mission and need to keep myself focussed. The gym instructor that set me on this path does ask me every week how I'm doing so that helps me. He did compliment me today on my strong core, says it's much improved.
I'm not surprised you've shied away from any involvement with your club politics as it sounds like the 'we've always done it this way' mentality won't change for a while.
6 miles today, much milder but very windy on the way out, some rain but quite nice for running. My legs are trashed after yesterday's gym session, I did work hard and pushed myself and felt every bit of them this morning when running. Pilates is going to be tough this morning with sore legs.
Our champ races are Surrey League so rather clubby - no medals at most of them too (I am one of those shallow people who likes to get a bit of bling). I've done a few of them but they're not my favourites.
Gym day yesterday, and 8 miles at recovery pace this morning. I am nursing a few niggles which are rather irritating.
Regarding the Club Champs, it's a balancing act. I really try and get a good balance of "old favourites" and then maybe throw some races in that we haven't done before. But we only have 20 races a year in the CC so it's not possible to please everyone really as some like new races, whereas others only want to do old favourites. Some love off road, others hate it. But I think we get a good balance and last year was the biggest years in terms of finishers for quite some time. Again, that was Chair's doing - he saw that the CC was becoming less and less popular and hence less and less competitive, so he thought of ways to increase its popularity (reducing the number of races and categories needed, basically) and it appears to be working. I think the main thing I changed is putting a marathon in the "Long" category. For many years there wasn't one, but I asked to put one in and there was no issue at committee. People don't have to do the marathon if they don't want to, and can still easily complete the CC without it. But on the other hand, lots of members do marathons so having one in the CC made sense.
Shades, yes, I think diplomacy is needed. He does listen though but often has to push back on things. He doesn't necessarily please everyone - for example, RK has recently left as he wasn't getting what he felt he needed from the club.
Anyway, I went to see Ranulph Fiennes last night. Taking Steve's lead, I had a book that I took and he signed that, and we got a picture too. It was really good but you get the feeling that he didn't even scratch the surface of some of the things he's done/witnessed. Some of the planning involved and thinking on his feet in tight situations was good to get a small insight into, and he had a really dry - but funny - way about him. It was a good night out.
Shades - we never did work them out because my sample size is low! But my half marathon pb is 1:49:26 and my parkrun pb is 21:57 which was just at the start of the year!
I done 5 miles this morning and hated every step! First one like that for a couple of weeks.
15 mile MLR today for me, started slow and picked it up later in the run. Started to rain about 9 miles in and was blowing straight in my face and I couldn't really see where I was going!! Had an e-mail about Wokingham today, course was underwater on Monday and maybe changed at short notice as more rain planned! Glad I've not tapered for this one!
We don't have any training fees either, we don't have access to any shower or track facilities. Last year we paid £5 each for our annual subs because we are only asked for the amount of money that we need to cover our costs.
Big G - well RK wasn't a committee member was he? Didn't he flounce off as he thought he should get more attention/publicity? I see he runs under 100MC now, maybe he intended to do that all along.
Steve - there's a bloke called Kipchoge that uses Maurten, think he's done OK
Is Wokingham a half marathon? Hope it goes ahead so you can 'test' all that great training.
Good news your OH is healing well.
Easy runs 9:30 to 10:00 min/miles
Long runs 9:30 to 10:30 min/miles
Tempo pace 7:50 to 8:10 min/miles
Marathon pace if you're doing MWLR 8:20 min/miles
Sorry you had a bad run today, are you tired?
Thanks Shades, I'll convert those into KM! You can tell I'm not a marathon man as I don't have a clue what those convert to!
I was feeling a bit dodgy, shouldn't have gone and defo should've turned back after about 200 meters! I live and learn.
Don't run again until you feel 100% again. Hope you feel better soon.
I've got some sachets of Maurten drink mix I've not got around to using...not that that helps at all.
Steve-I use the SIS beta fuel in the last couple of days and on race morning to help carb load,the maurten gel is meant to be like jelly so definitely worth practising.
Yeah, it's not cheap, I really should have looked into it a bit further out, but as I run fasted I haven't thought about it until now!
Ian - thanks.
Ian - you've gone metric! Cozy needs to convert paces, that's not so easy
Big G - I struggle to see what he's complaining about. The club did a lot for him, I remember every week there was a photo of him at a marathon with his medal looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp
Steve - yes, he's really promising.
Re price, worth it if it really works for you.
Rcouture - as long as you're injury free then race it and it will give you a good indication of how your training is going. If you've trained well you should get a PB as those long marathon training runs will make you much stronger in shorter races and give you the ability to hold race pace. Your time will also give you a good idea of what pace you should run your marathon. Good luck.
Let us know how you get on.
Maybe just run today's run at easy pace so no tempo pace.
Going out for a meal with some of the Manchester Trotters this evening