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Sometimes you just have to step back a little from the training and recharge and recover, otherwise you're setting yourself up for injury. You have plenty time, you still have 3 months to your marathon.
Steve - Wow that’s an amazing time well done...
seems like I’ve let my game slip a little cause people around me and setting faster times over various distances than me..
Well now i have a little time before the school run, I thought i would do a small write up about my race on saturday evening.
The event start time was 3pm but I wasn’t sure I would be able to make it due to having to work a full day so i had spoken to the organisers and they would let me start late if i needed to, but thankfully i finished in time and got to the start with half an hour to go.. I was still in my work uniform so had to quickly get changed and pick up my race number. As i always do, i recognised quite a few people and knew it would be a very social event even if in the dark and the wind..
we were given the race brief and promptly sent on our way at 3pm.. The event itself was at Brooks farm in Herne bay and they allowed us to use one of their empty barns, which i assume was used to store onions, because it had a slightly pungent odour. I met up with someone from one of the keto running groups that i belong to on FB and we ran together for the first lap.
the route was fairly flat. We exited the farm yard and turned right up a slight hill and then right into one of the fields, which was pretty muddy with great big tractor tyre ruts, so everyone was forced to walk as it was pretty slippery and uneven. Once we exited the field we found the concrete pathway which took us up a small hill and onto the road which then took us to the next field. Thankfully this one had a gravel road so it was pretty easy running. We crossed the motorway and turned left and passed the aid station which was at a crossroads called jelly baby junction. The route then wound around various farm roads and passed a micro brewery, unfortunately it was closed, then around the rest of the farm back to jelly baby junction and back the way we has come. Each lap was 6.22 miles.
After the first lap i started to run on my own but i struggled with pacing so had to remind myself that 7min/mile was the wrong way to do it. Problem was though, i was enjoying the pace so thought i would finish the second lap like that and then slow things down. As i was almost back at base camp, I caught up to a friend of mine and decided to do the next lap with her. She was just walking a half but I didn’t mind cause there was an 8hr cut off so plenty of time.. we walked and talked and i was enjoying my time with her until she decided to misstep and twisted her ankle pretty badly which swelled up instantly. Problem was, we were still about 2 miles from base camp. Through the gritted teeth and many many expletives she hobbled back to the start where she could get some medical attention. It was the longest 10k in history 2hr34min.
For me that was the end of lap 3 and I wasn’t sure whether to do 1 or 2 more laps so i headed out and would make up my mind when i got back from lap 4. Thankfully that lap was uneventful and took me just under an hour so with plenty time left i decided to go out for my 5th lap. Again a fairly uneventful lap aside from my head tourch dying but thankfully somebody was finishing their race so they gave me theirs so i could complete my race.. again the last lap took me around an hour and i was quite happy to call it a day as i had been on my feet for almost 7 hrs plus the 7hrs of work and i had got the 50k i wanted.. finish in 6:56:02 but was pleased with that.. all i had eaten that day was cheese at the end of each lap and electrolytes so i win on the nutrition front..
my next event is Saturday 29th SVN Leap year challenge. Just hope the weather behaves itself..
I love cheese too in ultras
6 miles this morning, bit colder and a couple of showers but not windy which was a pleasant change. Still have slightly sore legs from gym on Sunday but not glycogen depleted today.
Pilates and gym later.
Watched the Panorama programme on Salazar last night. For me the part about Farah and UKA felt very uncomfortable viewing.
Shades - that's the colour of her ankle so I think it's pretty bad.. she is stubborn and still thinks she can run on it.. some how I think she is sidelined for a while.
Rcouture - I always feel way more beat up after a windy race.
Anyway, I've been consulting Dr Google, and while I know that's not always a good idea, I am 90% positive what I have is something called a plantar fibroma. I remember I did find it before during a self-foot massage and then forgot about it, as it wasn't sore at the time. It's still tender today so I'm going to give myself a few days. I'm seeing my physio tomorrow. I really hope this doesn't mean a lot of downtime as I've had enough disappointments this year already and I really want to give Manchester a good punt.
After the last couple of days of 10-milers I am quite tired, even though I slept like a baby last night, so a rest day today. And I'll be eating pancakes...
Big G / Shades - Watched that too, Mo doesn't come out of it very well, neither do UKA to be honest. I also feel that if he did something within the guidelines he would have disclosed it, but it was hidden away and then denied after being asked 3/4 times!!! Something isn't right.
Anyway, today was 12 miles with 6*1km reps. I knew it would be tough after the weekend, but wanted to get it done. Reps were 3:43/3:49/3:44/3:42/3:41/3:47 for a 3:44 average, which is basically bang on 5k pace! I knew after the first rep that it would be tough and while I couldn't hold sub 6 min mile pace, got it done which should be good training!
Rcouture, I have the same target and the same issues slowing down for training!
I'm getting there, I keep getting into trouble from Shades for running too quick
My next long run will be in my target pace .... I promise
Big G/Steve - re Farah, I'm afraid I can't get past the fact that Farah didn't tell the truth during the 5 hours of questioning. They say the amount injected was within legal limits but if it was how come nobody recorded the amount injected, 4 injections over 2 hours, why didn't UKA and/or the doctor measured the amount. I bet Salazar knew how much was injected. And then not to declare it, no reason not to if it was legal. I can't get past that conspiracy/lies and now I struggle to believe Farah to be clean at all as I can't trust him. And Fudge flew to Zurich to collect it from the house of a contact of Salazar's
Steve - wow a speed session so soon after your race, you're in great shape.
Rcouture - sorry to hear your trip to Italy has been cancelled.
Re MP runs, I don't know what training plan you're following but usually MP would only be for a short section of your long run. Steve is right you need to slow down for your long runs, they shouldn't be run at anywhere near MP.
Cozy - Rcouture isn't following my training plan. My plans are for the minimum amount of training for a marathon, aimed at busy folk, so 3 or 4 runs a week. With so few runs it's crucial that training paces are adhered to otherwise you won't make the adaptions and improvements in your aerobic system for you to complete the marathon without too much discomfort.
Pilates was a great class and good upper body session done in the gym.
ITB is a very common injury when training for your first marathon, usually caused by the increase in mileage ( I had it training for my first marathon too). It can also be caused by continually running on a camber so if your routes have a strong camber, try and switch around so you're not running on the same camber all the time.
Shades - my tongue was firmly in my cheek in my comments, I absolutely appreciate the efforts you have gone to in order to give me a plan and advice along the way. Apologies if it came across in any other way.
You'll find that most don't specifically train for multiple marathons by doing back to back runs, just by reaching the best level of fitness that they can. Of course the others as you know don't bother training at all.
I never even did a double before my first triple and it made no difference at all. However, the only thing I find with a triple, compared to a double, is that on Day three I am glycogen depleted and I feel the cold more and need to take on probably 3 times the amount of fuel on Day 3 than I would normally, and preferably in the form of food as I get really hungry. A triple may not affect you like that at all. In my first triple on Day three I was ravenous halfway into the race and was grabbling as many sweets as I could off supporters ( I was in Dublin) but I was saved when someone bought me a round of sandwiches from a garage en route
I will relate the story of my first triple tomorrow but I'm starving now and need my lunch.
Is mowzer doing the event? I miss her on here but I guess she's not running any more. If you see her give her my regards.
Shades, it was just a confidence thing really. Generally I do all my runs slower than that so I just decided to do 3 in a row at a quicker pace to see how it was. I would really like to get 3xsub-4s and I know I can do it, but it just depends on the weather, injuries and everything else. I don't want to jinx it but I do feel I'm running quite well at the moment, but I've got three before them that I need to get through first, so again just trying to not look too far ahead.
Regarding Mowzer, I don't think she's doing the event. Someone was asking about their first double, the second day of which is Hannington Hike. I replied to that person about some tips that I've picked up that seemed to help me, mainly about elevating the legs, and Mowzer responded to that in agreement, and said to not underestimate the LDWA event. I know she's done a few of them, hasn't she.
I've done two LDWA events. One was a sub-7 (just) with a group of Trotters and the other 6:43. Tough events, but I did enjoy those two. The 6:43 was in the summer and was very, very hard/dry terrain which hurt the ankles. I was supposed to do day 2 of that weekend as well but decided against it. No danger of it being dry this time, but the wet will bring its own challenges!
Steve-That's a great session straight after a race.
Cal-Hope it goes quickly.
As for Mo-I can't get past the obvious lying,it's been shown before he's not the cleverest person but to sit there lying then go back in and say I've just remembered is crazy and if it was all ok why lie in the first place,you'd just say yeah I took it but it was within the legal limits,same with Aden,just say yeah he's a guy I know but as soon as i heard about him cheating I disassociated myself with him.
OH completed her last 20 today so that's 4 done,which is great for her first.
Thanks everyone for the usual excellent advice.
I guess for me, having never ran a marathon before (I mentioned above that my long run most weekends is my longest ever run), is that I don't know that I'll have faith in my ability to run my target time if I've never done so before.
In reality, after last weeks heavy mileage (for me) I feel knackered and have a sore foot which I believe yet again backs up the excellent advice on here, go slower!!
So I will be slowing down again for my long runs and easy paced runs