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  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - I can understand you wanting to step back from unnecessary socialisation, especially after that awful chest infection you had a little while ago.   I too have lost my enthusiasm for racing right now.

    Re food shopping, perhaps the best option is to go early at opening time and wear gloves in the shop, less people if you go midweek and hopefully the store has been cleaned.  Remove gloves when you get back to your car and put them in the wash.   I often wear my gloves when food shopping as I find the stores quite chilly especially if I've come from circuits/gym.   I wear gloves every time I run this time of year and I always have a clean pair every day, partly because the weather changes every day and I have gloves to suit all temperatures.  I am the Imelda Marcos of gloves. :)   My flat is one of 4 in our block so I'm now going out for my run not wearing gloves when I open the main front door, put my gloves on, run, come home and take off gloves only when in my flat and put them in the wash.  I wash my hands then too.

    Part of me wants to get the virus, mildly of course, and recover and then be immune.  The other part of me doesn't want to get the virus and I'm dithering about whether I will go back to the gym and classes when my chest strain has healed enough.

    Not much you can do about the Club Champs, maybe just wait and see.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    I am not booking any more races for the moment. I am down for Kingston Raceday (I booked the 8 miles rather than the longer events, since it as a week before Manchester) but pretty sure that won't go ahead now. I feel rudderless - nothing to train for.
    My back seems to have eased so I did get out for a nice 8 miles this morning. Cool, fresh, no wind, lots of blossoms and flowers - it would have been enjoyable but for the feeling of impending doom. I am less scared of the actual virus than I am on all the restrictions and shortages and economic fallout. In Spain, people are not allowed out of their houses and are being chased by drones if they try go go out. I'm thankful that I can still go for a run on a nice day.
  • 1SteveMac1SteveMac ✭✭✭
    Ian - Sorry to hear about Boston.
    Iain - Brilliant time after the long warm up.
    Big G - Good win and well done battling on the other race that didn't go to plan. To answer your question, yes, I feel in great shape at the moment!
    Shades - Hope you recover soon.
    Cozy - That's a big PB, congrats.

    So Manchester was postponed on Friday, but I still went out to do my training like the rest of you!! 23 miles on Saturday, felt good and was tempted to carry on to marathon distance, but decided against it. 8 miles with strides on Sunday followed by kettlebells. That finished off a 69 mile week. My right shin and back of my knee was sore on Sunday, so I think taper has started at just the right time!!
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    Cal - I know, we've all had our plans suddenly whipped away from us without knowing when we will get back to some normality, I think we all have a challenging time first to deal with.
    I felt more optimistic when I was out running, the birds were singing, it was getting bright earlier and like you I noticed the blossoms, the magnolia trees are beautiful this year.

    When do you expect to hear about Manchester's new date?   I suppose that's football dependent.


    I've heard this morning that Connemara has a new date of 27th September.  I momentarily thought, I don't know if I can be bothered sorting all the logistics but I've already paid for the flight and that's non-refundable.   So I've changed my flights FOC, thanks to Aer Lingus's kind offer, just had to pay £15 as one fare was higher.   I'm locked out of my account on Aer Lingus and I didn't fancy phoning up as I think I'd have to wait hours on the phone, the bulk of their business is flights to USA so they must be very busy.   Managed to do the change online without needing to log in, just hope there's still an airline by September. :/ 

    I can amend airport parking FOC and just need to cancel and rebook a hotel.

    I have already entered Barnstaple marathon on the 27th, will have to look and see if I can get a refund, it not I think they do transfers nearer the time.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Cal-Know that feeling of rudderless,that's how I've been feeling since Barca was cancelled,still gutted for OH,just hope she keeps going,she's out for a run now while I'm sat here so should be no issues.
    Shades-Good news they have a date set,how many do you need for your 400?
    Feeling a bit run down and headaches here,putting it down to the flight but not visiting anyone today just in case,might sneak a run in later if I'm feeling better.
    One thing I find amusing is the phrases people use now they've never probably heard of before,self isolating,underlying health conditions,mass gatherings and social distancing being the most popular.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - I think from what you've said your OH won't lose her motivation, otherwise she wouldn't be out for a run now.   I just hope that in a few weeks we can start to see or have some expectation when life will start getting back to normal and we can plan things again.

    You don't have to self isolate because you've visited Spain do you?   Hopefully a bit of tiredness and dehydration from the flight.

    I'm on 389 now, if nothing more is cancelled then Connemara would be my 400th, but that's not going to happen.   400 is not a special celebration, it will happen when it happens. 

    Yes, you're right re new vocabulary, we learnt a load more through the Brexit process and now we moved on, hopefully.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Steve - are you planning to do Manchester, subject to the new date suiting you?
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Shades-Yes I think she'll be fine,off for 16 today.
    Only returns from Madrid and some areas need to self isolate,but will use common sense and stay away from a couple of elderly relatives for a bit.
    Our New York holiday looks off also,the 30 day ban ends 2 days before we go,but can only see it extending as the US are only really testing now so cases are bound to jump up.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - well at least you should be able to recoup your costs through your travel insurance for your NY trip.  I know that's not much consolation, but it's something.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Shades-Yes we are looking at rescheduling for the Autumn if it's all good by then,presuming if flights get cancelled then we don't need to claim and should get an automatic refund off the airline,hotel is refundable luckily.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - your flight might not be cancelled as I assume there will still be the odd flight for US citizens travelling home?  I guess you need to check at some point with the airline, they may do free transfers to a later date.
  • Shades, hope you're feeling better again soon, Glad that the strain isn't too uncomfortable, gyms probably got the healthiest place to be.  I'm too hoping I get the virus mildly, I'm at my strongest for a while so hope that I can fight the virus. 

    Big G Elle's brother isn't going to take it further, more hassle than it's worth and he knows she is in the wrong,  it's least of his worries at the moment, just needs to look forward.  I don't think you're going OTT, everyone has to decide what is best for themselves.  I am an occasional sufferer with Asthma myself, rang the docs today and hope to get a couple of ventolin inhalers just in case as breathing is a bit close.  I know WJ are looking a few option

    Steve well done getting out there and doing the long run, will be in the bank ready for when things return to normal.

    Cal, we are indeed lucky being able to get out for a run still, hope we don't go into lock down will be suffering from extreme cabin fever.

    Ian my boss at work is in similar boat, first she had a trip to Spain and then off to Florida 10 days later, had to cancel the spain trip as needed not to have travelled for 2 weeks before, now USA not looking great. 

    I'm in no rush to book any races at the moment, I have a shortlist of low key events but will follow any advice from government over the next few weeks/ month/ year.  Will also keep an eye on Manchester marathon date now. 

    I feel quite fortunate in my job, it's fairly secure with it being a mutual insurance company for trade union members and reasonable health/ sick benefits.  I am concerned how the economy is going to look once this has finished? So many aren't going to be able to take the strain.

  • Cozy1504Cozy1504 ✭✭✭
    So Edinburgh is scheduled for 6th of September, I'll work out where that fits with the plan to see my new start date and then work out what to do between now and then.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Shades-Virgin have said 85% of their flight in April wont be going,guess most that will,will be london based for business but will wait to hear from them,got an alternative date in the autumn if they offer a swap.
    Rob-I'm lucky with my job also,full pay for 3 months if I need it,hopefully wont need it though.
    Just been out for 10 miles,hoping to get back into a regular routine.
  • Cozy1504Cozy1504 ✭✭✭

    Well done on the 10 miles Ian.

    Just checked, using same training plan, I restart on 4th May for new date. My plan is to keep ticking over the 5 and 8 milers midweek, and maybe fling in a 10/11 miler at the weekend including my beloved park run :) If anyone thinks that's a bad idea let me know.

  • Cozy keep an eye on parkrun, especially north of the boarder, with Sturgeon banning large gatherings I'd expect a blanket ban of parkruns as you can't control numbers turning up over 500.

    Ian seems a lot of companies are being fairly generous of their rules where normal rules are non changeable or refundable so fingers crossed, I hope they are compensated either get backing from future customer or the state.

  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    I'd be surprised if parkrun isn't put on hold this week. I'll be gutted - it's the one thing each week I really look forward to, but life isn't going to be normal for a while.
    My club has cancelled all sessions, not that I attended them often but a lot of people depend on them for social interaction. This whole thing is going to do a lot of damage to mental health as well as physical.

    Slightly better news is that my dentist was able to see me today and my crown is back where it should be.
  • Cal, WJ have cancelled meeting in the hall, now to meet outside and run but think that may be off soon.  We were discussing freedom parkruns as an option, people will probably still turn up but nothing official, spose it depends on how individuals view the whole situation.  I needed parkrun as a huge mental thing to get me out running after the injury.  I felt comfortable with people round me and enjoyed the banter from mates every time I'd see them reminding me to stay on my feet.  I will miss parkrun if it is stopped but for me it's not a significant loss to me, as long as we're not put on lockdown and I can get out and run. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Robert - you're right, gym not the best place to go.   Just watched today's update from BJ and restrictions have been scaled up including advice to stay away from pubs, clubs, cinemas, restaurants etc. I'm assuming that includes the gym.  So I'm going to cancel next week's classes and I wouldn't be surprised if the leisure centre closes.

    But good news that BJ did say to distance ourselves as much as we can but we can still go out for exercise.  They've accepted that exercise is so important mentally and physically for us.   When I ran this morning I didn't even pass one person on the same side of the road as me.

    You are fortunate with your employment terms, it's going to be a terrible time for many that won't be able to cover their debts or even their food bills.  Small businesses are very vulnerable too.

    Cozy - that's good you've got a date for Edinburgh.   
    Now you've got a shiny new PB I'd better recalculate your training paces.  That sounds fine with your training plan but of course you don't need to go back to the start of the plan.

    Aren't parkrun expecting to cancel all events soon?   

    Ian - you're feeling better then doing a 10 miler.
    Unless you're sick you won't be out of work, we need you. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Cal - that's really good news on the crown.


  • RcoutureRcouture ✭✭✭
    BJ’s main infectious diseases advisor just suggested that ‘significant restrictions on our way life’ may well be in place until the end of the year. Who knows whether that would include mass gatherings such marathons at that stage but I guess we’ll have plenty of other things to worry about by then if there are still these kinds of restrictions. 
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Cozy-I wouldn't drop down to 10-11 as my longest runs,personally I'd keep at least every other week at about 16,unless you feel the need for a rest.
    Shades-As I haven't had a day off in about 20 years,I doubt I'll be starting now unless it's dangerous to go in.
    Rcouture-I really hope it doesnt last that long,even the autumn seems too long away,hoping to find some small races at some point.
  • Shades - I was going to venture to a local pub but thought better of it.  I was going to take my own glass as an extra precaution.

    WJ alongside other local clubs have suspended all activities tonight.  Believe EA are making an announcement today (Tuesday).  WJ club champs also look like suspended and are looking at a kind of duckworth Lewis method (those that know cricket may understand) for a winner.  

    Got a few theatre shows booked up London over the next few months, not looking promising for them at the moment either.
  • Thankfully i hadn't gotten around to choosing if i was going to a show or now next weekend. Was sort of leaning towards spending more time eating. Technically i have travelodge saver rooms which ar enon refundabl howeveri am fairly sure i can date change for a fiver. Awkward bit is picking the date change.
    Sellafield had a confirmed case announced sunday and last night said they had a suspected second. I looked on their employee site and its basically f over 70, pregnant or underlying health condition do not go to work. Others are to go to work in the interim whilst they work out who can work from home.
    As for my own company i shall see if its been updated in a hour or so when i get to work. Probably not base don time of advice and its been done at a top tier level not the buisness unit. There is also a senior safety meeting 9am which i attned so no doubt we'll skip normal stuff and discuss it there.
    One person did come to work yesterday to be sent home cos husband has both fever and cough. Work seems to be going down thw work from home line as all desktops now have VPN software installed. Not very practical for me as although its a science lab so most cant work from home i can broadly speaking. However desktops are not wifi enabled so as well as the desktop and monitor etc (desktop is one of those tiny book sized ones but monitor is massive widescreen) i'd also need a lengthy network cable to plug into my router. I also do not have a desk suitable really other than the one in my bedroom i do jigsaws and lego on which would require a even longer cable to connect with.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    As I've said before I'm trusting the science with all this, but it seems to me that the new political advice (different to the scientific advice) on social distancing could cause confusion.  On the government website there is a category of age groups where it's "advised" not to do certain things, and for other age groups it's "strongly advised" not to do things.  Should it be either it's safe to do certain things, or it's not?  How do you manage the difference between "advising" and "strongly advising" whether to do something?  I'm supposed to be going to a comedy show on Friday that following the new advice the theatre would be within their rights to say they're still going ahead because there wasn't a ban.  The comedian is currently still saying he's touring.  I won't be going, regardless.  If BoJo had said a clear statement that theatre shows are cancelled that would have been clear and presumably would then be an insurance claim for the venue?  How insurance companies would cope is another matter!

    I've a friend who is a senior auditor at a large, well known clothing chain and he was saying that there's a real possibility that they will run out of cash.  I've another friend who works for a small window manufacturing firm, and he was saying it's only now dawning on the directors what the impact could be.  I.E., already people (home owners) are cancelling work, so builders aren't putting orders in for new windows/conservatories.  Plus, what orders they have will be compromised if people can't come in to do the manufacturing.

    Just seen on BBC Breakfast that the presenters are sitting apart....it looked quite odd when I first saw it!

    Very odd seeing images of major cities where the streets are more or less empty.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Rcouture - I guess we just don't know how long restrictions will go on but I think they want to avoid a 2nd wave of the virus in the winter when the NHS would not be able to cope.

    Ian - although races aren't banned now, I think just a matter of time.   At the moment we're being advised not to travel unnecessarily but travel to a race is not essential travel.   Parkruns should be cancelled as that is encouraging folk to travel unnecessarily, unless they run there of course.  And they're unnecessary social contact.

    Robert - just seen EA's statement, they seem to ignore the social distancing and unnecessary travel advised by BJ etc and no mention of events that require public services.

    Keith - I guess you're cancelling your trip to London then.    That's the trouble about changing dates for a hotel not knowing when to change it too, maybe book London marathon weekend if it's not too dear?

    Big G - I guess the objective is that without complete lockdown they are trying to change people's behaviour and by doing it gradually we become more accustomed to following the rules, or some of us are.  For instance by advising folk not to go to the theatre then it's likely the theatre will decide to close, a decision that they make not because of a ban.    I think you'll find most companies don't have the type of insurance that will cover them if they have to close.   Some business interruption insurance is very limiting without huge premiums, that's why they will need financial help from the government .   But I think the next stage will be instructing some types of venues/premises to close.   But if they forced all types of venues to close it can only be done for a very short time as it will completely destroy the economy and millions will be out of work.   Will be interesting to see how Italy and Spain deal with coming out of their lockdowns.

    How's the legs, and the toe?

    7 miles this morning, lovely morning, birds singing and busy nesting.   Chest strain still 1/10, tried my Core Tabata this morning and not comfortable doing plank even for 20 seconds but I'm noticing it less running so running is much more enjoyable.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    I'm pretty sure parkrun will be cancelled imminently - they had a statement last week where they would do what was necessary in each country based on the advice there.  They're already cancelled in numerous countries based on the local advice there, so I think it's bound to be cancelled here.  There was talk about cancelling larger parkruns only, but from what I read on the statement they'd cancel everything in that region/country to avoid the prospect of smaller events being overwhelmed.

    Shades, regarding my legs, they were still a bit stiff yesterday but then I hadn't done any recovery run at all, and not much walking either.  They feel fine today though.  Toe nail doesn't look too great but the inflammation/redness has gone and I'm walking around more-or-less pain free without any covering on the area.  So it's much improved, but I'm still not running for a couple of days to let it settle right down.
  • Big G - 100% trust what we are being told, it's not Boris who is pulling the strings but his advisors and researchers.  Even if people don't agree they don't have much choice.

    Keith - quite fortunate you can work from home.  Working in a call centre most of my work needs to be done in said environment, I could be set up from home and have said I'm happy to lead an operation if it's feasible. 

    Shades - According to WJ chairman the EA statement is being updated today to reflect on yesterdays announcement.

    I have friends who play in bands/ pub singers/ karaoke hosts, loads of cancellations overnight. One is a singer who had to take Christmas off due to illness which cost her £2k now she's worried.

    I'm not sure how many pubs are going to cope, I struggled when I managed a pub when I had a couple of bad weeks ordering (panic bought loads of cider after 2 days of summer never to be seen again and bought extra beer on the back that england would get into next round of euros but failed).  Had a serious cashflow issue as I struggled to meet my bills and I had a regular custom.  Finding £800 a week rent, £1100 a month for sky sports which aren't showing any sports plus rates, gas and electric.  The only saving I could make was to cut staff hours which if done drastically backfired as my employees were local people and the pub was a community/ regulars pub.    
  • Big G - only a matter of time till UK are cancelled, I know some people will argue parkrun is good for their mental health.  I wonder if parkrun will promote 'freedom runs' (running the course when parkrun not on) but advise not at 9am on a Saturday. 

    Countires cancelled up to the end of March:
    Canada
    Denmark
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Republic of Ireland
    Italy
    Japan
    Malaysia
    Netherlands
    Norway
    Poland
    Singapore
    Sweden

    USA
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - yes, I heard the same about parkruns being cancelled, so imminent.

    Robert - EA statement already done last night.
     https://www.englandathletics.org/athletics-and-running/news/coronavirus-statement/

    It does say that they expect all events to be cancelled soon.

    I think most pubs survive on their last week's cashflow and the breweries can be quite brutal.  Anyone who has a dream to run a pub needs to wake up, it's a really tough job.   I think a lot of pubs will close and they won't reopen again, certainly not under the same owner/management.
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