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Ian, hmmm, not sure. I wonder if the powers that be will correlate it like that, if there happens not to be a spike? I'm not sure. I'm definitely not a scientist but I worry when I see crowds like that though
Rcouture, that's still a decent run out, especially with all the stop/starting. Funny you should mention crossing roads as I was going to say that I've noticed my HR increases by maybe 3-4bpm if I have to cross a road that has traffic on. It happens fairly consistently.
Right, it's nearly 2:30pm. Time for my morning run....
If anything it may delay gatherings and introduce stronger legislation for social distancing.
Rcouture - that's a good run. Expect to have a slower pace over a longer distance due to cardiac drift. Also the road crossings, my HR rises in heavy traffic too.
Maybe save the MAF test for an early morning run when you have less people around.
I'll forward you the Loch Ness one tomorrow, shorter and easier survey than Chester. Chance to win some High5 nutrition products.
6-miles today on one of my regular routes, away from the seafront. Early in the morning this is a very quiet route, but it was a bit busier today meaning it was a bit stop/start to maintain distancing. Enjoyable though and everyone seemed quite smiley.
I stopped the watch at 6-miles for my stats, but then immediately started it again for 0.1, just so I could get to exactly 60.0 miles for the week
It hasn't been the best of weeks in terms of seeing any progress. A few glimpses here and there, but nothing particularly special except that hill/slope I ran up the other day for the first time. Hoping for a better week this coming week. I certainly feel pretty good, so fingers crossed.
There's been nothing over 7.5 miles this week, so I may see if I can get one or two 10-milers in over the coming week. I'll see how it goes, but hoping for another 60-mile week, maybe a bit closer to 70 if all goes well.
They do say with HR training that some progress in 3 weeks and significant progress in 6 weeks.
I've had a really bad week sleeping but as I'm out of library books now I decided to read Ron Hill's books again. So started on Part 1 last night. I'd forgotten how absorbing they are and he doesn't waste words, quite exhausting the speed that they gallop along. And I had the best night's sleep for ages.
Big G-That's another really good week for you,how many days did you double?
The second run was harder than last weeks,I don't think I drank enough between runs,last week it was hot so I made a conscious effort to make sure I did whereas I just drank whenever today,first 5 miles were ok but the last 4 were tough,anyway 20 miles for the day and 61 for the week is a good start to the month.
Shades, fingers crossed I may kick on again then. We’ll see what happens
Yes, just found out from my clubmate who also runs it from time to time that the nature reserve section was indeed closed for a while. So I wasn't going mad!
Seems alot of climbing going on at the moment! It that in honour of DD this weekend. I've managed to get my excuses out ready for next year as going to Turkey again (Covid and travel restrictions allowing). But hope that I'm back running and able to have a crack in 2022!
Spoke with mate who's an RD for the local race, he is planning to go ahead with max 200 maybe 300 in September subject to government guidelines. Fingers crossed as that will be a low key marathon I'll use as a comeback event.
NDW50 was moved from May to July now September, will mean I have 2x 50 mile events 2 weeks apart from each other.
A few shortish runs, no pain just a bit of a niggle, 2 weeks no drinking and lost some weight, unsure how much as my scales are useless so have bought a new set.
Ian if only these protests might make the government allow big events to happen! (should there not be a spike in a couple of weeks).
That could have been a quote from your drinking days...
Loch Ness email sent.
Robert - 2022 it is then for DD, I'll make a note
My hilly run yesterday was not in honour of DD, but in the summer months I don't need to run on the main roads or urban areas which have street lights so make more use of the quiet country lanes and they seem to be hilly. Any flatter routes around here are main traffic routes or cycle paths, the cycle paths are very busy now at the weekends.
Perhaps when we have the next announcement later this month we'll have some idea about races, big and small.
Two 50 milers in 3 weeks, that will be a nice dilemma to deal with.
Great progress on the drink, weight and the injury.
8 miles today for me, flat route. Second run for my new Reebok shoes and I love them. The cycle path I was running on today has a really good tarmac surface and I just can't stop myself running faster in these shoes. I feel like I want to race in them, they just feel so good.
The trail as a whole is not straightforward to follow as you do cross quite a few roads, but with a bit of trial and error you can go a long way on it. I think the whole thing is 13 miles long, although I've never gone to the very end (where it meets the Thames) as you can't run alongside it until Earlsfield, aside from a very brief section before you go into King George Park.
I've not gone all the way to the other end either - I will do at some point. But then I'd have to run home from Croydon so it's probably end up being 20 miles total.
Out of interest (because you lot seem to be obsessed with HR), my average HR was 138 for this, which is higher than MAF. I don't think I could even run slow enough to do it in the 120s - 11s is as slow as I can go before my form degrades completely. It would definitely not be a fun way to train for me.
Cal, well done for kicking off the week with a run.
Robert, good to hear from you. You sound a bit happier about things, which is good to read. Planning 2x50-milers - wow!
As for me, I had half an idea of doing a MAF test this morning as I was feeling good, but when I got to the seafront I knew it wasn't going to happen as it too windy so I quickly abandoned the idea. I could have trudged through it but it would have been disappointing and not a fair test, so I didn't see the point. Ended up going 7.5 miles and it was quite enjoyable, although surprisingly cold today. I may have to see if anyone knows of a flat loop locally that is more sheltered as this seafront route could be a problem for a decent MAF attempt a lot of the year. I'll post on the Torbay Tri page and ask.
But HR training is not for all, most aren't prepared to put in the work required or see the long term picture and it requires patience, a lot of patience.
Big G - isn't it too soon for your next MAF test?
Do you have any industrial estates near you? Usually good for flat and often fairly sheltered too, quiet at weekends or early mornings. You're going to have a problem in the winter with the sea front as not many calm days so worth finding an alternative course.
The one large industrial estate I can think of is actually fairly undulating around there. There is a section of a route I do quite regularly away from the sea front, but it can get a bit busy with traffic on a country lane, but probably fine early Sunday morning. There are a couple of parks/rugby pitches but a) I know the terrain will slow me down, regardless of how good it may be and b) the one I'm thinking of in particular is still quite open to the elements anyway. If it absolutely comes to it I can always go over to Brunel Industrial Estate in Newton although I'd rather not have to drive really. I suppose there are always things like Aldi/Lidl carparks for a few loops before/after they've closed on a Sunday, but they're a drive away also. There is an old house near me (Oldway) some of which is flat, but it may only be approx 200m lengths so I'm not sure about that as it could be too stop/start and also a bit dull! I'll have a think and keep a closer look out for decent routes when I'm out and about. Paignton seafront is ideal for the route/terrain as it's as flat as you can get, but weather can be an issue for what I want.
Ian - Nice double day.
17 miles on Saturday (9:54 pace for 126 bpm) disappointing run as had to slow a LOT in the last few miles, but HR was still above 75% (129) 10:05 (130), 10:12 (131), 10:27 (134). But got it done.
Sunday was 7 miles with 3 miles at ILTHR (135-140), those came out to 7:36 (137), 7:40 (138), 7:47 (138). So still a bit of drift there. 51 miles for the week.
Is Yalberton Industrial Estate undulating, is that the one you mean? I don't think you'd want to run 5 miles around a pitch, you need road surface and 5 miles round a car park would be soul destroying plus too many corners for easy comfortable running.
If you end up having to drive to a venue and don't fancy Brunel you could drive to Newton. Run out on Jetty Marsh Nature Reserve as your warm up then you could do out and back on Stover Way/Summer Lane/Stover Way, that's flat and I think it might be very close to 5 miles in total if you run as far as the A38 bridge and back again. It's very sheltered there.
Steve - great running. Re your 17 miler, once the cardiac drift kicks in there's no recovery back to base rate, I've found that especially true on longer runs.
The ILTHR miles look speedy and very little drift.
Steve, I've done nothing that long, but that's part of the reason I went back to 7.5 milers as I was able to run all of the route. When I do slightly longer on a regular, undulating route (I.E., not what I'd call "hilly" at all) after about 9 or 10 miles I sometimes have to slow right down. So for me, 7.5 in the morning and say 6 in the afternoon is more satisfying as I can run most of it, although I know I'm not getting some of the benefit of a single 13.5 mile run. If it's flat I can run more of a 10-miler, but anything with any elevation I have to slow down, which is frustrating.
That's a shame about Seaview for this year, you can ditch the mountain training for now.
Interesting about TRA not reviewing permits until July.
You're doing much better to do 2 runs a day that keep you in your HR zone rather than one long run that takes you into cardiac drift. Going into cardiac drift doesn't help the training effect.
If you can remember the results that I posted on here of my last Hadd test which showed significant improvement since last summer. I never ran further than 10 miles in training for 8 months, I was running 50 miles a week though. I did do a couple of marathons but they actually set me back a bit training wise at the time.
I would often run much higher mileage than 50 mpw so my point was that I made progress without being on higher mileage. High mileage has always worked for me in the past, in my best years up to 100 mpw on a few occasions.
Cal-Are you doing the BMAF 5k relay next week? Is so it's from Sunday to Saturday,I know you usually do your speed on saturday so if you do it this week it won't count.
HRM battery died in the last mile, that's the 3rd time the battery has failed with this HRM in 7ish months. Maybe there's a problem with the HRM, can't really send it back and complain as I was given it FOC.
Stopped on the way back to look at the swans at the quay, parent takes the cygnets out on the mud bank to sleep in the warmth of the morning sun, growing well, they're the size of small chickens already.
Loads of runners out this morning, never usually see so many that early, as I was home before 7 a.m.