Shades Marathon Training

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  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - enjoy your weekend, hope you don't have to do too much walking and irritate your PF due to the strikes/limited service on tube and trains.


    7 miles this morning.   We had a little rain last night but not enough to clear the air, overcast and very humid this morning.   Had a good run, saw a tiny baby rabbit on the cycle path, it froze with fear when it saw me and didn't run into the hedge, it won't survive if it does that again if a dog comes along.   Saw a green woodpecker, first one I've seen this year.   Still no kingfisher, it's been months now.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Big G-Have a good weekend.
    Not to keen on early runs but it's the only time I could fit it in today,got 10 miles done.
    Did a reverse loop I've only done a few times.The last time I did it was 2 weeks before Boston,somehow on the strava segments I was 5-10 secs/mile quicker this time for similar or lower effort so while I wasn't expecting it it was good to see.
  • RcoutureRcouture ✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Shades - Nice 7. You had mentioned the roads were dangerous around yours, so do you mainly run on cycle tracks?

    Ian - Good progress. I’m also not a fan of the early morning stuff but it’s nice to get stuck into a big breakfast afterwards

    Just under 9 miles for me at lunch including the first tempo of the block for 20 minutes. Felt hard as expected but happy that I’ve been disciplined enough to give it a month and a half since Copenhagen to do the first one of these. My HRM strap kept slipping again so got crap data which is getting annoying. Think it doesn’t like my dad bod 😬. Anyone used one of the arm HRMs? 

  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - rewarding pacing from your training, especially as it's a warmish time of year.

    Rcouture - the dangerous roads I referred to were for cycling not running.   There are some roads that are dangerous for running, they're mainly the A roads that have no pavements, blind bends and high hedges.   But we're lucky we have miles and miles of quiet country lanes and they twist and turn, I often am nearly lost, which is why I usually do out and back routes.   Many of the junctions have no signposts so it can be a bit of an adventure at times. I prefer to run on these roads than on pavements.   We have a couple of cycle paths that I also use for running, the one today I quite like as it runs along the back of the racecourse and cuts out a busy boring route using a pavement to get to the same place.

    I've no experience of the arm HRMs, but I've heard they're only marginally better than the wrist HRMs.   Maybe you need a different type of strap, one that doesn't slip?

    Well done on your first tempo run of this block of training.   :'(
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Rest day for me today, first rest day for 16 days  :)

    Gym later
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Went to see Back to the Future the musical last night, which was fantastic!  A couple of plot changes for modern audiences but very close to the film, instantly recognisable actors resembling the film’s actors, and of course the car, which I’ve no idea how they got to do what it did - theatre wizardry somehow! A very good night out. 

    Foot felt good this morning so I went out to Southwark Park parkrun, which is flat and on tarmac, which is why I chose it. I set the watch to run (well, a slow jog) 30secs and walk 60secs and I stuck to that (apart from the last one, which I ran to the finish on), finishing in about 38mins. I am actually really glad I came out to do it, as I wasn’t sure earlier. Think I probably ran about 1 mile so I’ll see how the foot is later today and tomorrow. 

    I’m on the tube back into town and having brunch at a foodie place soon, museum later and then heading out to Wood Green for the Ally Pally show this evening.  
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - sounds like you're having a great weekend. 

    Hope that foot behaves after your careful parkrun.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    I see Tokyo have announced their entry schedule for 23,they have a ballot entry which I wasn't expecting this year,but there probably won't be many places.
    They do have charity options that open on July 10th,might put my name in for that and see if I'm selected.
  • RcoutureRcouture ✭✭✭
    Big G - Glad you’re having a nice time and fingers crossed on the foot. Therapeutic effects of the big smoke 😬

    Shades - 16 days with no rest is some doing. I messed up my ITB last time I did that but I’m not as resilient

    Ian - I’ll have a go at the ballot

    6 miles super slow this morning. Knackered to start from tempo plus strength work last night but felt rejuvenated by the end which is nice. 


  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - will Tokyo be instead of Boston or as well as?   Have you won the lottery?   ;)  :)

    Rcouture 16 days of base training, anyone should be able to do that as the distances were short.  If not they're training too fast 

    You were doing some faster sessions as well, which makes a huge difference.

    Good bounce back from you today by the end of your run.
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Shades-It would definitely be instead of,ballot result isn't out until October though and Boston entries are September,so I'll need to decide before,from a quick Google charity entries are £600 and confirmed in August so at least I'd know.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    RCouture, I do genuinely love London and always have. May sound odd, but I had my honeymoon here and we saw different shows and ate at some nice places. Good memories. I’ve never lived here though, but do like visiting. 

    Interesting Ian. I hope you get a place - that would be fantastic!

    Shades, thanks. Admittedly it was only 1 mile running, but funnily enough the 30/60sec bleep on the watch was motivating in its own way. Better than just walking, anyway!  Unlike last week’s 3 miles, there doesn’t appear to be any particular adverse impact, so that’s good. Today’s run breaks were very, very easy paced though. 

    Found a superb Moroccan place for brunch and have been drooling over some expensive guitars today. The chap wouldn’t let me touch, let along play, the £15K Fender as he gently guided me towards a different one that was a tenth of the price :) 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ian - well the timing of the charity results works well time wise.

    Big G - that's very positive news on your foot as you must be doing a fair bit of walking too today.

    Do you play guitar?   
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Feel like I'm coming down with something,felt drained last night and today I've been very heavy legged ,tried 7 but it was hard work and I stopped to walk the last half mile.Barely eaten today which isn't like me,so hoping it passes quickly.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I do play guitar, but not very well. I know the chords to a few songs, but I’m not good by any means. I was in a band in my Uni days, but we didn’t last long due to ‘musical differences’ - ie, a couple of us realised we were rubbish, but the other 2 didn’t... ;) I’ve got 3 guitars which OH doesn’t understand, sometimes commenting ‘you can only play one at a time’. I very much doubt I’d ever sell any of them though as to me they’re all very different, but to her they’re all the same :) 
  • Rcouture - lovely photo of Paris, somewhere that's easy to get to but I've never been, if I don't go to Turkey in April, I may suggest Paris and take the marathon in.

    Big G - glad the musical was a hit, saw a couple of songs on BGT but I wasn't won over... sometimes you need the whole set for it to take full effect. I love London and glad I can jump on a train easily enough, I enjoyed working there but I was a young man then, not sure I could hack the pace or want to live there now

    Shades - reading back I was wondering if you'd still be alive, hope the gulls are behaving themselves.

    Cal hope you manage to get to a parkrun, I didn't mind the odd strike when working in London, used to get the river boat from the city to Westminster, nice way to travel once in a while.

    Ian Tokyo would be amazing if you can get a spot, fingers crossed.  Hope the illness passes

    Managed to get out for 4 mile run earlier today, no back pain or any other issues, say about 1% pain and if I hadn't had a twinge in the back I wouldn't have given it another thought.

    Job wise it all went a bit mental, applied for 4 jobs offered 3 interviews and my first interview in 9 year I was offered a great opportunity which I declined and instantly regretted was a local broker in an area I grew up, good money and prospects but only 20 days annual leave.  Had a positive informal chat about another role in Stevenage but didn’t go further this time.

    My new company came back with a different role within their specialist and commercial team.  Im feeling positive about the move and my boss is a runner with just the one marathon (Manchester 2021) had a very open chat about things yesterday and negotiated a 15% pay increase. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - I guess more than one guitar is a bit like more than one pair of running shoes to a non runner.  You can never have too many of either.


    Robert - it'll take more than a seagull to get rid of me.   ;)

    Good news the back pain has cleared up.

    Wow, you are hot in the job market.   Well done on the interviews and job offer.
    That's a great confidence booster.

    But the new role sounds exciting and they obviously know they'll have to look after you to keep you.   Will you still be working out of the same office/and WFH?
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    I did Rob, though I didn't tour. I was contemplating doing one a few miles from me and running there and back (a repeat of course) but then couldn't be bothered so I just did my local. Very underwhelming time, too. My lack of progress is very deflating. Having said that, I was very fatigued yesterday, so I guess I should be happy I felt OK to run today.
    That's fantastic news about the company - good to have a sympathetic boss! So when do we get a trip to Jersey Farm to celebrate? :lol:

    I've not had any communication about Tokyo...but I don't know that I will go even with a place. Can't really afford it now.
  • Robert OHaraRobert OHara ✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Shades I thought the same analogy with the guitars and running shoes. Will start off in the office until confident.  The team is just myself my other senior advisor and my compliance officer who will do our role part time to learn the job and system so think we’ll arrange a hybrid amongst ourselves.

    Cal one of the last 2 Saturdays in July might work, car is due MOT that week but early august is free too.

    also thought I better come back to the forum, July is looking quite bleak on the marathon front 😆 

  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2022
    Cal - I'm sure you can find another overseas marathon to do at a fraction of the cost of a trip to Tokyo.

    Robert - that sounds like a good set up for your new job role.

    Yes, we need you on the marathon list!  ;)   What with Big G injured the list is looking a bit empty.   I was going to enter Tenby when I returned from Cork but as my ankle wasn't fully recovered I didn't.   I have nothing for August either, not going to the IOM, there is a Plym Trail on but not sure I want to do it.   It's a bit bleak for road marathons in the summer.

    8 miles this morning, my favourite hilly route.   Lovely morning, recent humidity has gone and nice and fresh again.

    43 miles for the week.   Hopefully back up to my base level of 50 mpw from next week.

     
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    I was supposed to be doing an August Plym Trail as it was going to be my friend’s 100th but she got Covid so was forced to change her plans. Davey let me move my entry, which was fortunate as I’m injured anyway. Yesterday did make me wonder if I could run/walk a marathon if I was strict with the strategy, but I don’t really want to start down that road at the moment as I’m not in the ‘chasing numbers’ mindset currently. But I did walk a lot yesterday and was also standing a lot, and even with yesterday’s run/walk at parkrun the foot is no worse than what it would have been if I hadn’t done it. Yesterday I averaged 12min/miles for the parkrun so quicker than just walking overall, and I did quickly work out whilst doing the event that if I could keep it up that would be about a 5hr15 marathon on a flat course. I was beginning to get worried about some of my autumn marathons in terms of the money I’ve already spent on them but I suppose some kind of run/walk is an option if it comes to it, but fingers crossed I’ll be running a bit more by then. 

    Gig last night was odd. Ally Pally is quite a large venue (10400 people) and it was sold out and although the band were good the atmosphere was quite flat for some reason. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - to me that sounds like a big improvement in your PF.   All that standing and walking can be testing at any time.
    I agree, if not chasing numbers there's no point to deliberately doing a walk/run marathon.   You are still a long way off your autumn marathons and from what I understand about PF when it's gone it's gone and as you've done what you can to keep up your fitness you could get back to a reasonable aerobic fitness in quite a short time.   Let's hope so.

    Funny that about your gig, maybe all the noisy ones are at Glastonbury.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    We all seem to be suffering a bit, eh?
    I went out for 14 miles today - my longest run since Manchester Marathon. Haven't felt great this week so when I saw my HR getting a bit high towards the start of the run, I forced myself to try and keep it in the 150s (my standard easy...Dr Maffetone wouldn't approve but there it is...). Which wasn't easy - at that pace, I was barely picking my feet up so almost tripped a couple of times, and oddly, various parts of me felt more sore than I do at a faster pace. Weather wasn't too warm and there was a nice breeze so can't blame that, but I've had a succession of disturbed, sweaty nights and I guess that wears on you after a while.
    Of course there was no way I could keep HR below 160 up Rectory Road (one of the hills up from Tooting to the common), but tried to go as easy as I could without walking.
    Anyway, glad to have that in the can. First 40 mile week in forever, too.
  • Shades - remember the podium on marathon talk was always pretty bleak in the summer.  Managed to get on it a couple of times with FVC.

    Big G - I still find after a day of standing and walking my pf is worse, hopefully you're on the mend.  I don't see much benefit in run walking plym, if anything trying to run the half could be a better option.  Everyone at Glastonbury, kids at Ed Sheeran and Green Day was Friday.

    Cal - wouldn't worry too much about HR as you've not been feeling great, take the positives that you ran long, on a big mileage week.

    Another 5 miles today, glorious weather and finally took a sign back I found in Feb for parkrun juniors.  Legs feel a bit jellyish after 3 weeks of nothing.


  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Robert, I was behind a couple who had been at Green Day the day before, as they had the shirts on. I’ve seen them a couple of times and if I’d realised I would have got tickets but having said that, the theatre was really good on Friday.  At my gig there was a mix of old Led Zep fans, young whippersnappers and everything else in between. I saw Greta Van Fleet, a young American guitar band, who get accused of ripping off Led Zep, but I like the albums, although I know they’re not everyone’s cuppa tea (they’re a bit like marmite I think) :) Crowded House were at Hampton Court so quite a busy weekend really. 
  • Thinks Stones were in Hyde Park too, I nearly got tickets from Green day 2 and a half years ago, glad I didn't as still not fully confident.  It was a surreal experience sitting in the pub for a few hours on Friday with a few work colleagues other than our conservative club I've hardly been in a pub for 2 years. 
  • RcoutureRcouture ✭✭✭
    Cal - Good stuff on the 14. Perhaps you’ve just got a funky high max HR, what’s the highest you’ve ever seen it?

    Rob - Well done getting back into it. Had no idea Green Day were even still going. I last heard them in my teens. 

    11 miles for me this morning. Used the invincibles which I’m really liking now having prematurely returned the first pair I bought. They are great for MAF as bouncy and soft but not so light and high energy return that you get carried away. Bit unstable but think I’m ok with that these days. 

  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Robert - I never listened to Marathon Talk, is it still going?

    Didn't realise you still get twinges from your PF.   What causes that, scar tissue?  I thought once the inflammation was healed/gone then there were no after effects.

    Cal - sorry to hear you're still not having the easiest of time with your running.  Hope you manage to turn things around soon.

    Rcouture - funny that you really like those shoes now, having initially rejected them.
  • Shades unfortunately MT stopped earlier this year, I haven’t listened to it for a while and started to lose interest.

    The pf is more of a dull ache but no pain and doesn’t stop me from running.

    Did anyone else spot the previous parkrun ceo Nick Pearson has been upto no good getting undisclosed commission from Contra, no wonder why it’s so expensive https://www.parkrun.com/blog/news/2022/06/23/trust-tested-at-parkrun/

  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Rcouture-I love my Invincibles,currently rattling between them and my 1080's,still got 1 pair in a box also.
    I find them quite a bit quicker than the 1080's for the same effort.
    Stopped on 45 this week as still feeling rough,feels like I'm over the worst though.
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