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LMH.. sorry to hear that. Avoid the knee replacement option if at all possible. My BIL has had two new knees in the last 2 years (ex amateur rugby player) and has been told running is a no no. Is Brass unlikely now?
Charlie.. good to see your endurance base has been maintained. Hope to see you at Brass Monkey with birthday cake in hand
Jools.. takes a lot of frustrated patience to get through injuries like that, must feel good to be back amongst decent mileage. Nice 15m yesterday.
Almost there TR, I'm sure you will do more than 8m
After a few 60+ mile weeks I knew Xmas week would have less time available so a cut back week of 46m was the result. Back to it today with 13.5m, mostly sunny and a pleasant temperature.
My longstanding degenerative knee issue TR. It's been looked at a lot over the years but yes my GP with a specialist interest in musculoskeletal issues has confirmed what the problem is and my physio has had a go at settling it.
Great to see you getting back in to it so well Joolska.
What's going to be your excuse for not bringing us birthday cake this year Charlie?
LMH - what are they saying ? Rest, cross train, run less in future ? You might be able to manage it with a mix of things. I guess that marathon training might have to be scaled back?
Great run CD. I like to see great pacing win out over those who go off too fast even though I'm almost always in the off too fast category.
Very little running for me in the last week and very little exercising either. Trying to be my most sensible self. Still got 4 weeks to start building a base. Hoping the knee is improving all the time and will get out tomorrow to see how it feels. 1644 miles for 2019 which is a way short of where it ought to be but many lessons have been learned along the way so fingers crossed for a stronger 2020.
10m inc 4m LT, 346m for December and 3502 for 2019.
The start of 2019 wasnt great but things picked up (family and running wise), resulting in end of year highlights of 2.55.12 and 81.3X (which was the same pace i ran a 10k at in january). 2020 targets are sub 80 and as close to 2.50 as possible.
Best wishes to all in 2020.
Jools - Great to see the mileage increasing and the consistency returning.
LMH - Sorry to hear about your knee condition, it must be very frustrating keeping having to manage the flare-ups.
RJR - Similar message, I hope your knee gets better so 2020 is a cracker for you. 2019 and Nottingham ended pretty well.
TR - Great mileage and dedication.
Wardi - Thats some cracking mileage weeks, Barca on the horizon now.
2520 miles for 2019 for me, a touch less than 2018.
Best moment: Galloping down the Champs d'Elysee @ the start of the Paris marathon in April, 5.46 a bit swift but just loved the feeling and the moment.
Main Aims for 2020: 6 marathons and 2 * 2.4X times. Run the OCC @ UTMB
CD - top racing as ever
CW - thats quite long quite early - you following a particular plan?
TR - mission accomplished
Had a decent enough Christmas break - struggled with the pace but no surprise. Target (singular) is to get to London fit and fast - 2.3x and try to get it under 2.35 or better.
Merry new year to you all!!
I'm not tempted to cut back and do things I enjoy less in the slightest TR, especially as the consultant said to do what I wanted/could for as long as I wanted/could (and that was knowing I was running 90+ miles a week). My knee is just as likely to decide to go bang walking, swimming, cycling or doing nothing as it is running.
OuchOuch - I've been quite fortunate and it's only been bad enough to stop me running for any sustained period a couple of times in the last four or five years, three if you count this one, it could be much worse (and might well be but let's not go there).
Cheers Mennania - early signs today are that there is a definite improvement after the ministrations/magic of my physio yesterday. The test will be tomorrow as she's told me to run regardless of whether it's pain free walking or not. Let's hope it's a positive start to 2020.
LMH - lets hope you it settles down then, so you can get back to chading sub 3 targets too. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.
Im going to take great delight in having no scoreboard pressure tomorrow. P and D is a recovery day.
Hope the test run goes well LMH, fingers crossed.
Best of luck with your knee too Joe. 👍
Nice targets OO & Menn.
Enjoy the rest day TR & congrats on the 3500+ miles.
13 of us for dinner & wine/beer/champers tonight, could be messy. Chances of a NYD Park run are approximately nil. Hope all your New Years are as merry as ours.
LMH - how did your test run go?
LMH - hope the knee settles.
OO - belated congrats on pacing your son at Malaga. You made the right decision. I'm struggling getting the balance right and sometimes my family suffer. Times like those are precious.
TR - hugely impressive training as I've said loads of times. Your annual stats should pay handsomely come the spring.
I feel a little more like a runner again after a good couple of weeks getting back into regular training, having time off helps ofc.
I have a question for fellow P&D disciples; the half marathon tempo runs on Tuesdays seem a little ambitious this time of year. I assume people are going by feel/HR and ticking the box? Also, apart from fast finish miles at the end of long runs, when are folks adding in those mara pace runs?
In the past I have run tempos/mara pace on a saturday especially in the winter months so I can make use of daylight. I'm wondering if I should sack this and just do marathon pace at the end of long runs instead.
I only ask as i copied the 12 week more than 70 mpw schedule into a spreadsheet and noticed the lack of marathon pace.
Run well all*
*healing vibes to those on the bench
10 with 3 X 1M @ marathon pace for me: 6.51, 6.51, 6.47. First 'speedwork' since early November.
SJ: I've tended to find a race for marathon pace efforts and indeed half marathon pace efforts, and then moved other sessions around to accommodate that. These days if I do a session/race on a Saturday and then a long run on a Sunday I can't do much other quality work that week. Strides at the most. The joys of ageing!
Nice to be hitting the pace early doors Jools.
Thanks TR/Jools for input. Hmm. I think my first edition might need updating as the 12 week schedule only has one MP run of 12 mi during a 17 mi long run. I will order one tonight.
SJ - good idea to get an edition 3, cant remember it costing much. There is an interview with pete pf on marathon talk, around episode 200. He says more strides would be a good idea, and advises doing some before the LT section of the LT run. Ive been doing that otherwise its about a 2mm pace change.
SJ - re MP - I have changed out some of the faster paced LT stuff otherwise I would put a couple in the midweek longer runs also.
TR - the 14 at MP is my marker
Pace development is a problem for me at the moment. Finding it quite tough to hit the markers. Hopefully a few weeks of efforts will see me right
Happy to say I'm back up and running again. 7 miles easy yesterday and then a swifter 5km today with some strides. Knees definitely not as stable as I'd like but feeling confident I can manage them through. Found my resistance bands so can incorporate those into the strength work that I've been doing. Aiming for 35/40/45 miles each week before the start of the P&D. 55-70. Any sort of pace is quite scary at the moment but the first 4 weeks of the plan seem based largely on getting the miles in so that feels like the most important thing to be doing in preparation.
I was in CW's neck of the woods for Cambridge parkrun to kick the year off, then I moved the weekend long run to this morning because I'll be marshalling at the club's 10 mile event on Sunday. I managed to tick off something I've wanted to do for ages - 105.5 laps at the track. After 4 laps getting going I settled into 80 at a pretty constant 100 sec per lap, then wound down for the last ones. Snuck inside the 3 hour mark, although the garmin measured it at 27.3. I did it as 35 anticlockwise (regular for a track), 35 reverse and 35.5 regular again. It was the reverse laps that were consistently being measured long - I was running a steady 6:41 /mile yet strava has me doing 6:15s in that middle section, just rubbish from the GPS.
Jools.. good session, nice to hit consistent MP pace each time.
CD.. bonkers stuff but very impressive, no surprise that the GPS devices don't like us running in small circles but only miscalculate in one particular direction.
Joe.. good news that you seem to be pretty much fixed, hopefully you can press on from here.
RJ.. great to see you back in the training groove again, VLM this year?
TR.. yes an excellent time was had on New Year's Eve, got to bed at 3:30am.
Still ticking over with daily runs, should get a MLR done tomorrow.
CD - crackers stuff. You usually do a 20m on the track, youll have to do 26m every time now.
LMH - bad news on the jab, but the good news is the recovery has begun. Can you swim, bike, XT, row ? Do the press up challenge ?.........might be worth looking at sept or oct maras to remove any vlm pressure?
Wardi - sounded a good booze up.
Back to runnimg in the dark (and rain) today with 12m.
Can't say what I'll be able to do yet TR - before the injection rowing was definitely out, can't use the bike much because of my back/shoulder, can't use the cross trainer (knee doesn't like that when it's as ok as it gets), shoulder doesn't do proper press ups, I can swim if I'm really desperate (but as before my shoulder doesn't do it properly anymore or for too long).
10 very ploddy for me yesterday (8.24s) and then 8 with some strides today. The legs were still a bit sluggish, but I just focused on leg speed and sod the pace!