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  • WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    Good long run & time on feet TR, it all adds to the endurance tank come marathon day.  Time for a beer!

    TT.. nice MLR and a good mixed session today.  75m is a very decent week and pleasing that you can cope with it too.

    Quite a strong breeze at the Parkrun so pleased to come away with another improvement, 21:57 two weeks ago down to 21:47 today.  5.6m in total with a w/u & w/d.  I'm leaving it at that for today so my legs will hopefully be a bit fresher for a longer effort tomorrow.  
  • ToroToro ✭✭✭
    Morning all! Long time no see. I'm hoping to do a virtual London but I can't see me getting sub 3. I raced a 10Km last week for the first time in ages 41:27 in 28 degrees C and 80% humidity. It would be interesting to see how that converts in the UK. It was a 0330 start for a 0530 race! Cycled there 12Km, raced, then cycled 56km for breakfast brunch. I'm currently on night watches near Guam and just trying to stay fit - averaging just under 50km a week. Back in Dec.

    TT - good numbers!

    Wardi - Well done great to see the numbers come down - I love progress. 
  • TRTR ✭✭✭
    Good improvement on a windier day wardi

    Good to see you Toro, i remember you being chuffed with your run at Stubby 10k one time

    10m here, legs werent too bad after ydays 21.
  • ToroToro ✭✭✭
    TR - Still am chuffed with that (34:xx) after a night on the sauce!
  • TR - good shout with Manchester. Timing for that would be good as I'm probably going to Barbados in the midweek after that. Good effort on the 21. Just gotta keep moving.
    TT - 12 weeks is a good chunk of time but sub 1:12:30 is no joke. I really don't believe you need to be that sharp to run a 2:40 but VLM must have their reasons.
    Wardi - good job on the parkrun. Progress is as much as you can ask.

    My week of virtually no running was justified by a nice weekend in the saddle with no achilles issues. Around 150 miles covered over 2 days with 8,000 feet of climbing. Focus switches to the running now but I may need to fall back on the cycling at times if the achilles flares. Incidentally had a couple of pints of Cotswold Cider last night which, although only 5%, definitely went to my head!

  • WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    I bet that cider tasted yummy after a couple of days of long bike rides Joe!  Hope the Achilles behaves from now on.

    Toro.. good to see you dropping in again.  I presume that's the Guam in the Western Pacific?  FWIW I ran a hot 15 miler over here recently, 25-29 degrees.  I did find a shady route but it was still pretty sweltering so I do sympathise!

    TR.. that's a decent LR/MLR double on consecutive days.  Is this the end of your turbo Sundays for the time being?

    17.2m this morning, got a bit tired in the last 2-3m, probably due to the rising temps. Good to get it done though, 61m for the week.
    Just browsing the curry menu now. 🌶🤪

  • TRTR ✭✭✭
    Manchester could be well timed then joe,. I bought some Becon ales home, they had one called Mind Bleach that was 10%, so i gave that one a miss.

    Wardi - top work on the 17. I deliberately ran today as i missed last weeks long run, so wanted to put an extra run into my long run legs. I would like to keep the turbo longer term, and include a 2ns session a week a ideally. Which might be something for after marathons.

    Should be a Brighton fast start update this week, hopefully they've kept the bag drop for that start. As i havnt heard anything else since last weeks update which caused a lot of complaints.
  • OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    Toro - A London marathon somewhere near Guam - good title for a book, and good luck sounds a very unique though testing experience coming your way.  
    Wardi - Good work on the PR.  That is also the sound of experience, a curry and beer after a long run far better than a Saturday night curry and beer before Sunday long run. Twas a recipe for disaster and so it proved, 1st 10m av. 7.25 mm, 2nd 10m nearer 8.15mm for 7.51 mm overall.  I will spare you the details.
    TR - Nice one on the 10m after the LR.  Dunno how you manage it.
    TT - Great numbers indeed, 75m for the week and a 72.30 HM aim.  Get in!
    Joe - Good cycling mileage and climbing.  Manchester is a great mara.  My BIL/ SIL making their marathon debuts for the Oct 2021 version. 

    So LSR #2 banked for London to make it 71m for the week.  Hopefully more of the same this week, with a few faster runs into the mix.
  • TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    TR - that is indeed the plan. If I'd done the 5m rec on Thursday I'd have hit 80, and there or thereabouts is my target for the up weeks on this cycle. Well done with the time on feet, but I'm with you in disliking them.
    Wardi - nice improvement sequence!! Nice week too.
    Toro - oof! Do you find you get used to the conditions after a while or is it just permanently uncomfortable?
    joe - I believe the VLM logic is that more people are likely to run the equivalent HM time to a sub-2:40 mara than they are to run a sub-2:40, so they tighten it up to limit numbers. FWIW my pb is 72:10 (admittedly in the New Forest) and a few weeks later I ran 2:27:48 (though that's at the other end of the scale conversion wise). I've got no idea if I can run under 72:30 again* but it's the only way I'll be running VLM next year so it gives me a target to focus on.
    OO - well done on getting your 70+ week.

    Looking to repeat last week ideally (dependant on working around kid's school holidays) so today should be a steady hilly 10 and a 5m rec. Fingers crossed.

    * I've only run under 72:30 twice - my pb, and the first half of a marathon, though have been close other times in dodgy conditions.
  • ToroToro ✭✭✭
    TT - definitely gets a bit easier but nowhere near the HR, pace or comfort levels I'd enjoy in temperate climes. Today for example I ran on deck 31 degrees at 0800 according to my watch and it felt really hot. Yesterday was 26-28 degrees in the gym with stagnant air and the difference was noticeable.  

    OO - great numbers and love the book idea! I've just read Al Alvarez's Pondlife and wish I could write a running diary in that style... but that's a bit like saying I wish I could write Daffodils! 
  • TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    Toro - I've run a few times abroad in extreme temperatures and figured there would be some adaptation if you were there long enough, but that it would never be 'normal'.
    Hills+Stuff session today. 20mins wu, 2m tempo (5:45), 1.2m jog, 6 x 280m hills (run hard), straight off the last hill into 2m 'fast' (6:15), before a 1.5m cd. 11m in total. (fast is typically MP+10-20s).
    Will jog 5m later as well.
  • saintjasonsaintjason ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    Still no running at this end :frowning: In fact I think the injury has taken a backward step and thus I stopped all s&c as it was definitely making things worse not better. 

    Needless to say I'm now struggling but I have just booked an appointment with a well credentialed specialist recommended to me at the high performance centre up here. It's pretty expensive but I can claim some cash back via health policy we have. 

    London are due to reveal the deferral plans at end of today. Keeping myself busy with other things but can feel the conditioning ebbing away. 

    Apologies for the self indulgent post. Nice to see you Toro, sounds like quite the experience. Great to read everyone is going along well and looking good for Autumn races. 
  • OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    SJ - Your post is far from self-indulgent as we all have been there, and sorry to hear of your continuing problem.  The specialist is a good move and hope their recommendations do the trick for you.   As it happens, also going to defer VMLM as my sister has moved her notable birthday party in South Wales to Oct 2. Still running Newport 3 weeks later though, so still at it. 
  • ToroToro ✭✭✭
    SJ - That sounds frustrating. 

    I got 40 min of cycling in last night. Today I did an hour with 8 x 2min (3:40m/km) off 2min easy. 
  • runjoerun91runjoerun91 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    SJ - Echoing what OO said above. Clearly something is not quite right or perhaps worse than you and physio thought it was. Specialist should be able to get to the bottom of it. All you can do is keep your chin up.
    TT - There's plenty of variety to your runs. Presumably it's rarely dull? Not sure about fast being slower than tempo though! I can see the logic re VLM but then I feel that there are quite a few of those half runners who aren't bothered about marathons so wouldn't take up the spots anyway. I could see a path to running a sub 2:40 marathon but I don't think there's any amount of effort or magic shoes that would get me to a sub 72:30 half.
    Wardi / OO - good long runs and weekly totals. Keep it up!

    First running in over a week later today. Meeting up with a member of the running club for a run for the first time. Praying that the achilles is fine as I've had no issues in the last week apart from the usual general tightness when I've been sat down for a while.

    edit: having seen confirmation of this but apparently someone at my old running club has been told that the next London marathon will be October 2022 so looks like the idea it was going back to April has been shelved for another year. Frustratingly it doesn't affect the qualifying time. So the next London I could qualify for could feasibly be October 2023. Sigh.
  • I've just seen it posted by VMLM on facebook Joe. I'm not sure I want another autumn marathon next year, and I've already booked my holiday from work for April. Grrr. 
  • Thanks CC2. Yes I've seen that now. Seems to have messed with quite a few people's plans. Like that everyone is so organised on the marathon front.

    On the plus side there's confirmation there of a return to the spring in 2023 which I'm pleased about...if they stick to it
  • TRTR ✭✭✭
    I feel for you SJ, you never got any ROI in December either. Hopefully the specialist will put you on the right path, defo stop the s and c if it makes it sore.

    OO - shame you are deferring, but for a much better reason. Newport looks a good event to me anyway.

    Noted that vlm is staying in oct next yr, whilst its easier to find the training time Jan thru March, its better for performance to train through the summer for a cooler race day......sounds like this yrs vlm is going to have restrictions rumour of no on the day bag drop the same as Brighton.

    Ill probably defer my Brighton place to April now, with no vlm in April.

    10m home last night, 10m back agsin this morning inc 14x3min/30sec, the av pace for the 49mins of effort/30sec jog was the best i can remember on the commute route (it'd be better on the pancake flat elsewhere).
  • WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    SJ.. much sympathy, I've had two pesky long term niggles in the last 18 months and mine were literally a PITA.  Seeing a specialist is the right thing, hope you get some diagnosis and a way forward from it.
    TR.. nice back to back 10 milers there, good speed this morning too.
    OO.. shame you had to defer London but understandable with family stuff.  You always seem to have a run of marathons lined up so I'm sure you will find another spring offering.

    On balance I think I prefer training through the summer for an autumn marathon - more daylight & choice of routes.  Though as TR said there seems to be less going on with holidays, gardens, social events etc in winter so I can understand why some prefer a spring marathon.  My old bones don't seem to like very low temps these days either so I'm a bit biased!
    10m today, breezy but a nice temperature.
  • TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    sj - that proper sucks; sorry to read it! :( Hopefully the expensive specialist will give you some answers.
    joe - I try to keep it interesting to avoid boredom; I'm more likely to get out and do it like that. I actually ran my best when I only scheduled one or two workouts a week and done adhoc faster bits when I felt good and am tempted to combine the Aussie stuff with that approach now I'm feeling generally more like a runner again. Re: 'fast' I tend to give paces a name if they're slower than MP, so have very easy / easy / brisk (or medium) / fast.
    Don't rule out having a quick half in your legs; I've taken over 22 minutes off since I started running (somewhere between 45-50 minutes if you look at the HM' I bowled up and ran before I started training). Training is cumulative.
    TR - you're sounding like you've in very good shape!
    Had a bit of a rough day yesterday and didn't feel like running so took the day off. Back at it today with something (not sure what yet). London being October throws a spanner in the works for me (in as much as you can throw a spanner in the works of a long-shot qualifying target; lol). I guess that makes Brighton or Manchester the obvious spring targets. Any other English spring marathons worth considering?
  • ToroToro ✭✭✭
    Really enjoyed 70 min easy on treadmill today. Under the air vent kept heart rate down.

    TT - Boston has good reviews from what I've heard? 
  • TRTR ✭✭✭
    Wardi - the downside of spring mara training is defo the cold and dark..

    Hopefully youre back on it TT

    Hard to equate what youre doing Toro temperature wise.

    10m home last night, need to run in tomorrow so i can ride my bike back as ive 10 days off, so ended up doing a rare run double today (5+10) first double for a few years.
  • OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited August 2021
    TR - If you don't do Brighton, do you have an alternative mara in mind?

    11m tonight pretty easy as ran a 10K MP  session yesterday, came out 6.26 and felt reasonably comfy, followed up by the real exercise session, bopping along to Rudimental at a very local  music festival (300 metres from our house)! Win double-bonus.

  • TRTR ✭✭✭
    OO - that sounds like a more enjoyable double than mine, 6.26s are good.......im waiting for the fast start info for Brighton to come out, they have confirmed its wave starts........if i defer it to April, then I'll just focus on vlm, and then maybe something in late Oct or Nov.......looks like vlm 2021 result will be useable for a 2022 gfa, but the qualfyimg period for 2023 doesnt include vlm 2021 or 2022 results.
  • TR - a lot of double digits runs you're putting in. That's a big double day too. Nice one. Sympathise on deferring Brighton.
    TT - I won't rule it out. Especially as I haven't ever used the magic shoes so there could be some minutes in there. 
    Wardi - temp is quite nice atm but I would go for a bit more sunshine.

    7.5 miles Tuesday at a middleish pace felt really tough...HR up at 160. So had yday as a rest day and went back at it today. Hoped for about 8 miles at half marathon pace. I managed 5 at 6:30 but legs felt trashed. HR was high but manageable but my thighs were so heavy. Wondering if my 2nd jab is having an impact, or could be the weekends cycling or could be the soil shoveling I've done this week.
  • WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    TR.. nice double however it came about!  Any plans for the time off?
    Joe.. still some decent paces in amongst.  Sometimes the running body has off colour days so I wouldn't worry too much.
    OO.. nice training and very convenient having a festival at the bottom of your street!
    TT.. is Europe an option?  The usual suspects Seville, Barca, Paris etc.

    8m yesterday, 10m today, used a club 5m race to try 5m @ just under MP which worked out ok.  It seemed hotter and stickier tonight than it was during the day!
  • JoolskaJoolska ✭✭✭
    Decision made about London after a clubmate offered a transfer on his Newport marathon place (3 weeks later).  It's still going to be tight getting into 2.59 shape in 9.5 weeks, but I at least stand some chance, whereas I have no chance in 6.5 weeks!  It's a pity Newport (Gwent) is not the loveliest place, but hey, I rarely look at the scenery when I race, so I'm sure it'll be fine!
  • TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Jools - hopefully the extra 3 weeks does the trick for you; good luck!
    Wardi - I'm hopefully going to be spending a bit on travelling back and forth to Ireland for the foreseeable so sticking to UK for £££ reasons. Nicely done on the 5 @ MP.
    joe - 8m @ HMP? Blimey. I'm happy to manage 3! 5 is very good.
    OO - nice doubling there with the MP sesh and music festival!
    TR - yes. All very easy, but yes, back at it. Ta. Nice doubling.
    Toro - I'd never considered Boston before. Looking at the times it must be a quick course so definitely one to look into travel logistics more on. Cheers!
    I've just been easy running since Wednesday. Pretty much every run starts off as a bit of a grind (tight/sore legs - no niggles just a lot of cumulative emotional stress re: a parental situation) but I feel better, mentally and physically, for having gotten out there. 8 Wednesday, 8/6 yesterday, and 11 earlier today (with hopefully a 5-7 shortly). Will probably make high 60s this week, which as a 'bad' week shows progress of a sort at least.
  • Wardi - true, I suppose it was the fact it was 2 runs in a row that had me worried. Good effort on the marathon pace run and some good daily mileage once again.
    Joolska - sounds like a sensible decision. As you say, usually difficult to appreciate the scenery if you are chasing a time.
    TT - In the midst of big mileage training I could see that but it's only my third run in the last 11 days so I assumed my body would be fresh enough to have a crack at that. My running has been so hit and miss the last 5 months I'm really tying to find out where I'm at so that I can run appropriately and enjoy the day. Good on you for getting out there and I'm glad it's helping mentally (and physically of course).

    Great North Run number has arrived and i'm starting to get excited now. I know it won't be quite the usual event but it's my first big city race in probably 6 or 7 years. I never changed my initial predicted time of 1:20 so I probably have quite a racey pen. The elite women set off after me so I may see them come past at some point.
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