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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    OO.  that sounds like a well organised plan for hill preparation.  Also nice to have a racing adventure to look forward to.

    SJ.. did your treadmill woes get sorted out in the end?  Must admit mine gets very little use in summer as temps of 10+ degrees are my favourite outdoor running temps.

    11.4m today.  Sections of my favourite Sustrans route are closed off for re- surfacing (much needed as tree roots are pushing up the tarmac).  As a result I had to be fairly inventive in making up the distance.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Good idea on the climbing challenge OO

    Well done on the 11m wardi

    SJ - trying to marathon proof my legs, as i will only have a few recent long runs in the bank by kempton. If (big if) my niggles allow then i have a couple of 10ks soon that id planned for after Brighton, they'd work out as 2 wks and 1 wk before kempton, might do the legs some good (if the glute can take it). Interesting discussion by moose today re drills and strides.

    6m easy this morning, turbo intervals this evening.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    TR - fair enough on the marathon reasoning; I can get that. Good work getting that 16m in despite feeling a bit ropey. 

    Wardi - good job on the guttering. Ours needs doing too, along with repairing a few storm damaged roof tiles. Given everything else I've got on I may just send somebody else up to clamber around the roof! Nice training.

    OO - that's a lot of climbing!

    sj - you're welcome. Hopefully you find it useful.

    Like TR I've had a dodgy tummy. Mine started the day before the 10k (possibly a bug going around?) but has gotten worse to the point of an IBS flare-up. I tried track last night and it was quickly apparent that my legs were having none of it, so just 1 x 800, 1 x 400, and 2 x 200. Will stick to easy stuff today and see how I come along.
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    TT.. our last roof repair cost £200, perforated roofing felt due to incorrect skylight flashing.  Worth it just to have someone clambering onto the roof who new what they were doing!

    TR.. Best of luck with the rest of the Kempton build up.

    2 x 4m today.  Almost got skittled by a cyclist on a blind corner who was shifting very quickly.  Saved a collision by throwing myself into the nearest hedge.  I now have one lower leg covered in nettle stings, better than being clobbered by a bike I suppose. 🙄
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    TT - I went on a work trip last wk, the lad who came with me had dodgy tum too. Loads of bugs and lurgies about probably from soacialising coming back.

    Wardi -  good hedge diving.

    Legs were a bit weary at the start of my run home tonight, probably from ydays turbo, but they came good and i got 15m in.
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    OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited May 2022
    TR - Nice one on the 15m.  I wouldn't worry too much about your legs being marathon ready, with the miles and races you've had,  they are.  Had to look twice at your comment to Wardi to make sure it wasn't a euphermism. 

    Wardi - That was a close call. Good um 'hedge diving'.

    Making progress with the climbing.  On Stravas ranking was in 45,000th on Sunday  now upto c3,200 a combination of generally 2 daily hilly 4 or 5 milers.  I find these rankings far too motivating for my own good.  All good stuff for my marathon recovery and my mountainy run in August,  but I do fancy a more conventional flattish 10m over the weekend.

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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    OO - good work on the climbing, enjoy the flatter 10......i was going to put bush instead of hedge

    5m easy today, legs were tired so took it real slow, probably my slowest recovery run, but at what was probably my lowest av HR, so good stuff.
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    JooliganJooligan ✭✭✭
    Good work on the elevation challenge OO. You’re top of the folk I follow & well ahead of me. Heard an Interesting ’Just one thing’ with Michael Moseley t’other night about the benefits of eccentric exercise such as DH running. 
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    TR..  nice work getting that 15m done.  My tummy was a bit dodgy for a few hours on Wednesday, same roving bug I guess.

    OO.. my nettle stung leg did calm down overnight so normality is restored.  Good stuff on the climbing ranking.

    A single run of 5.3m earlier.  Thought I'd keep my legs fresh for Parkrun tomorrow, see if I can keep the graph pointing in the right direction.
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    OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    Jooligan - you just need to go on one of your XC runs to turn my lead to dust. DH running? 

    10m d&d but couldn't resist the local climbs so another 1500 ft of climbing and now upto c2,200 rank. Hoping to finish the challenge maybe in top 1000. 
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    JooliganJooligan ✭✭✭
    OuchOuch said:
    Jooligan - you just need to go on one of your XC runs to turn my lead to dust. DH running? 

    10m d&d but couldn't resist the local climbs so another 1500 ft of climbing and now upto c2,200 rank. Hoping to finish the challenge maybe in top 1000. 
    DH = down hill
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    Nice work on the hills OO, good climb up the rankings too.  A young lad in my club (early 20's) is keen on the hills/ultra scene, he has an entry for Spartathlon.  Last weekend he ran a long session amongst the 3 peaks on the Friday and knocked out an 18 min Parkrun on the Saturday.  Oh the recovery powers of youth!😟

    My legs were very sluggish at the Parkrun today, 15-20 secs a mile slower than last week, don't know why.  I knew it wasn't my day in the first k so just settled into a pace I felt ok with.  No matter, might try again next week.  Rounded it up to 10m before & after so got something out of the day.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
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    Wardi - probably due to the tummy, mine is still iffy, but i felt less sick after my long run than last saturday.

    OO - good work, good summer prep.

    Downhill runnibg is defo a leg toughener, i had a 5 min downhill at around 19m today and its a quad basher.

    I did the same 8m easy, 13m mp+10% as last saturday today, still not 100%, felt less vacant as it went on and less sick afterwards. In the LT 4 days from Tues 5pm until noon Saturday ive done 16, 6 (+ turbo), 15, 5, 21m, so hopefully toughened my legs up a bit.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Turbo intervals here today. Managed to get HR up a bit better, so maybe i recovered quicker from ydays long run, maybe its cos its warm today. I was trying to get some warm weather simulation in, but had to open the window after a couple of reps. I was handling hotter days with the windows closed last summer, but the adaptations will come. Disappointingly Kempton is now 9.25 start instead of 8.30 (10k is 9am but has slightly different route, 1/2 and full 9.25, for 2 laps or 4 laps), so it could be warmer for more of the race now.
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    TR.. our climate is so unpredictable, could be warm or unseasonably cool end of May. :|   Agree though that earlier is better, 9am Parkruns are often 5/6 degrees cooler than the afternoon.  You did well to tough out that run yesterday if you weren't quite 100%.

    10.4m today, nice temps ATM warm but not too hot.  62m for the week.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Wardi - still a bit parky early doors, but evening commutes should allow a bit of warmth.........stomach is still dodgy, could be a result of the Brighton illness as it can be a post CV issue. Ive a local 10k next sunday so we'll see how that goes, seems fckn ages ago that i was going well, its been all niggles and lurgies this year.
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    JooliganJooligan ✭✭✭
    Almost back to normal mileage this week after 18M today & parkrun yesterday. 
    Almost 2,000' climbed today but you're still well ahead OO.
    3 big climbs & descents - the biggest was at 10M: 540' drop over 1.6 miles!
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    JoolskaJoolska ✭✭✭
    Give that body a couple of easy days to recover, TR: you're just pulling up potatoes at the moment if you keep on 'testing' it out with tough sessions!

    I'm now back to continuous running :)  5 miles on Saturday and 5 miles on Sunday.  All on the flat at the moment, so not able to even come close to OO and Jooligan in their ascent stats. Nothing today as I needed to be at my desk early to deal with some bits and bobs I didn't have time for at the weekend.  
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    saintjasonsaintjason ✭✭✭
    edited May 2022
    Good to see the elevation sensors in the Garmin's gathering data points/elevation stats OO/Jooligan

    TR - could this be long covid issues do you think? I don't know much about it other than what I have seen on the news but I do know of a clubmate who is struggling with back issues which was a symptom of his covid. The 10k will be a change of paces at least. 

    Wardi - Hopefully just an off day at parkrun. Nice weekly total.

    Feeling quite lazy still as have kept my weekly total at a misley 50k the last couple of weeks. I did run a recce for a fell relay race I have been called up for as a very late reserve yesterday. I've ran the leg before (about 10 years ago) and had forgotten how sharp the start is. Basically a mile straight up from the off topping out at 350m. Total ascent for the leg is 450m but since the leg is only 7.7km its a short, sharp, shock. We completed the recce in 44 mins with micro recoveries for gates etc so I reckon sub 40 mins next Sunday is a decent target. 

    I had another late night last Friday so missed a hattrick of parkruns as I ran to collect the car. An extremely tired run. 10km race myself a week on Sunday so hopefully some of the recent faster running soaks in a little by then. 

    I have Googled this but can't see how to search custom dates in Garmin Connect. Did they remove that very useful feature? I was trying to find the activity of the last time I ran this fell race but could only see to change the year one at a time. Super tedious and slow. 






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    OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited May 2022
    Nice one Jooligan and cheers for clarifying DH.  Its my quads that will need toughening for the summer ahead. 
    That was really good to read Joolska.
    At least you will have more time to get there and prepare TR. I would prefer 9.25 to 8.30.
    Another good week Wardi, beat me by 0.5m and still a very decent PR time. 

    Another 1400' climbed yesterday in a 12m run, and just about to run up the last final hill home and Garmin out of battery!!.  The climbing competition seems to have hotted up as though did a good amount of climbing at the weekend, now down to 4,800th place!
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    saintjasonsaintjason ✭✭✭
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    Nice OO - The downhills are indeed the leg breakers as I can feel this morning myself. 

    Found the custom dates thing in Garmin Connect. Garmin did an excellent job of hiding it. Crikey they need to edit the website so that a user can type custom dates. Using the dropdown boxes to scroll through a decade or more of dates is awful UX. 

    Edit: I actually don't think I found what I wanted re above. I can generate reports based on custom dates but not view activities from specific dates. 
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Wardi - some jobs are definitely worth paying for a pro to do (and removing the possibility of falling off the roof makes it even more attractive an idea!).

    TR - lots of good mileage there. I reckon the 10k will act as a spark/sharpener after that volume. Annoying with Kempton though.

    OO - I don't really pay attention to volume of climbing, but that sounds a lot.

    Wardi - it was very muggy down here this weekend. If it was anything similar there it'd have slowed your parkrun a bit.

    Jools - great to see you back to continuous running. Feeling ok with it?

    sj - I've refused to sign up for our off-road relay this year (it was the one that put me in a hole a few years back). It is proper tough, but a lot of fun, so I'd imagine you'll get a buzz out of your fell one on the day.

    I felt ropey for a lot of last week, so after cutting short track on Wednesday I ran Thursday, took Friday off, and done a little bit Saturday and Sunday. All easy, and not masses of it, but I still ended up with 66m for the week so not a disaster.

    Better start to this week though as I've already done a 5m/11m easy double for today. 
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    OO.  I did note that a few Garmin models now have solar charging built in but they do seem very expensive.  BTW I hear it was a bit warmer than ideal at the Barca marathon yesterday, always was a possibility thwhen the shifted it to May. 

    Jools.. continuous running is good news, you have been very patient!

    TT.. that's a decent double to start the week, shame you were under the weather last week.

    SJ.. that sounds like a tough race!  BTW I've only just discovered that you can download your Parkrun code onto your Garmin.  Useful for folks who forget their barcode occasionally. :|

    After 2 x 10 milers over the weekend just a steady 5.5m today.


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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Well done on the ascending OO and jooligan

    SJ - sounds like a toughie. I only scratch the surface of Garmin capability......could well be CV related apparently, didnt have it after CV late 2020 though. But if ive had CV recently then it could be related.

    Jools - well done on the continuous running, id decided to just do the minimum commute home today. I might have to right off a spring mara this year, i certainly couldnt stomach a tough marathon at the mo.

    Just the 6m commute home tonight, nice and super slow. Will see how it goes this week, im getting to the point where feeling 100% is more desirable than running a spring marathon, although the second needs the first anyway.
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    JooliganJooligan ✭✭✭
    Bet your Garmin’s making exciting race predictions now then Joolska 😆
    SJ I see what you mean. Can you not search for it by name?
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    OuchOuchOuchOuch ✭✭✭
    edited May 2022
    Wardi - I am very happy with my Garmin 25!  I am not a running gadgets man.  Yes, Barcelona in May would be a bit toasty.  My next one in Spain is the Majorca marathon in early October, expecting that to be 20-25C. 
    SJ - 450m in 7.7km is painful, my knees ache just thinking of it.  40 mins would be a good lick for that elevation. 
    TT - 16m is a tasty start to the week.
    TR - Obviously your call but I would be tempted to get Kempton d&d as a no pressure marathon run - your training and consistency deserves a spring marathon. Its taper time now so start taking it easy after your 10K.

    Another 1000' at lunchtime in an easish 6m.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Wardi - I didn't know that about the parkrun code and Garmin! Though I do have one of the wristbands (gets used more for general ICE purposes on runs than parkrun though).

    TR - fingers crossed you come around. I've been there enough times to understand your quandary. Ultimately your good health is more important than any race (though you know that anyway).

    6/10 double today. Saw the chiropractor yesterday who reckoned it's the worst shape she has ever seen me in. After a lot of adjustments I was still very tight this morning, but decided that I'll let aging win this one and start doing the stuff I should have been doing all along, so the 10m was preceded by basic loosening up exercises (and followed by more of the same and stretching). It helped. Unsurprisingly. Lol.
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    WardiWardi ✭✭✭
    T :) T.. I'm a lazy stretcher but at my age it's a case of 'needs must' at times.  Mrs Wardi is a yoga teacher and tries to make sure I'm doing it properly. 🙂
    Nice double again.

    OO.. my Garmin 230 is a few years old now but still has everything I need so not itching to change.  I tend to buy 2 year old refurbished mobiles which are about a third of original cost.  Don't understand this obsession to have the latest greatest iPhone, Samsung or whatever.

    TR.. hope you're firing on all cylinders soonest, shame as you've put in the usual block of decent training.

    Just over 10m this morning, partly to inspect our town 10k course which is happening tonight.  Apart from removing a banana skin from the course at 6k all was well.  I'm on lead bike duties, as I partly designed the route they trust me to go the right way and not lose anyone. 🙂
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    OO - i defo want to complete the training with a kempton finish of possible. Its frustrating to be off the boil, and its crap when you're used to being in shape.

    TT - all the fencing wont have helped your body.  I went to the fizz one time before a mara recently, they told me not to come in so messed up again, as they cant work miracles.

    Wardi - hope you went the right way, quick enough.
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    saintjasonsaintjason ✭✭✭
    Wardi - meant to say the other day when you asked, yes treadie all sorted end of last year. Nordic kindly refunded me and I opted for a Noble Pro which has been superb. Nice work on the 10k organisation and leading bike duties. I've got my last few gadgets including phone and garmin secondhand or refurbished. Often times I can't tell if its been used at all. 

    TR - what with the weather and now feeling less than 100% you are due some good fortune at some point based on the law of averages. I hope you turn the corner soon  

    OO - I may have been over optimistic with the 40 min prediction. Nice going with the lunchtime hills. 

    TT - literally beaten into submission. I've also upped the stretching and started lifting some, admittedly feeble weights, in an effort to prolong the madness. Good to hear you started to loosen up. 

    Jooligan - yes searching by name is indeed predictable but only if you bothered to rename activities in the first place. I did start renaming races and more recently a lot more activities but not as far back as 2008/9. I gave up in the end. 

    Rest day yesterday and then with all the doubles doing the rounds here I did 5km this morning on the treadie and then club session tonight of 8.5mins tempo followed by 5x600m all on grass. Quite tired actually and was getting slower in the 600s. 
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