Trump & Clinton

I always thought that Hillary Clinton agreed to "stand by her man" but she wanted the Presidency in return Roll on a few years and looking at today's headlines that more top politicians are speaking out against him & his comments from 2005 (who's been sitting on that recording) I am beginning to think he is part of the plot to get her to the Whitehouse
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  • Doing a great job so far, orange loon that he is.

  • JT141JT141 ✭✭✭
    Part of me wonders if it might be better if he did win the presidency. Chances are he would do nothing as he lacks the competency or real interest to concern himself with policy. There'd be a massive bun fight and chaos in US politics and the thing would devolve into a discredited shambles by the next election. Clearing the air might be better than letting the public mindset that's lead to the rise of Trump fester and grow. Trump, a vain spiteful self serving egostist, worries me a lot less than his supporters who actively embrace this hateful irrational nonsense.
  • I think it is a bigger issue than just Trump though.

    The Republicans have put stifling the Obama government above the good of the nation on more than one occasion (remember when they refused to approve the budget and thousands of government employees went unpaid?)

    Trump just seems to be the ultimate expression of the politics of obstruction - he has no coherent policies of his own.

    And with the small matters of being a tax dodger, racist, misogynist, pathological liar and alleged serial sex offender where does it stop if someone like that can be elected?

    Charles Manson 2020? 

    BTW just back from the USA, never met any Trump supporters. Mention of him was met will eye-rolling at the very least, but then I was in New York, not Texas...

  • RicFRicF ✭✭✭

    My vote is on whoever the vice president is.

    Once described as a role worth no more than a bucket of warm spit. It may prove to be more valuable than either of this pair.

    🙂

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    There is a lot of hate for Clinton in the US. Not sure she would have won against any of the other republican candidates.

  • Not sure the VP has ever been less relevant actually. Pence is notable only for being one of very few Republicans still to be backing Trump - and at this stage he may not have much choice.

    Tim Kaine is only relevant if you believe all the stuff about Hilary being at death's door - and she doesn't look like she is to me.

     

     

  • XX1XX1 ✭✭✭
    Screamapillar wrote (see)

    Not sure the VP has ever been less relevant actually...

    Tim Kaine is only relevant if you believe all the stuff about Hilary being at death's door - and she doesn't look like she is to me.

     

     

    Maybe all we're seeing now is the Hillary double image

  • I thought politics in this country is shit!

    My sense of Schadenfreude (thanks spellcheck) kind of wants Trump to win, things will be a lot more interesting than the usual corporate bullshit with Clinton.

    I think Trump will lose the election rather than Clinton winning it on her own merits.
  • The polls say 47:43 to Clinton - the fact it is still that close says everything you need to know about what the US people think about Clinton.

    How they finished up with these two candidates who so many people dislike following about an 18 month long election process is mind boggling.

  • Mr Worry wrote (see)
    I thought politics in this country is shit!
    My sense of Schadenfreude (thanks spellcheck) kind of wants Trump to win, things will be a lot more interesting than the usual corporate bullshit with Clinton.
    I think Trump will lose the election rather than Clinton winning it on her own merits.

    When you say "interesting" you mean "dangerous" right? 

    Skinny Fetish Fan wrote (see)

    The polls say 47:43 to Clinton - the fact it is still that close says everything you need to know about what the US people think about Clinton.

    How they finished up with these two candidates who so many people dislike following about an 18 month long election process is mind boggling.

     

    Well Hillary's main rival was a Socialist, he wouldn't have had a prayer. The Republicans got what they deserved through feeding their base, as Obama put, it "all kinds of crazy for years".Having let King Kong out if the jungle, they were unable to put up any effective opposition.

  • XX1 wrote (see)
    Screamapillar wrote (see)

    Not sure the VP has ever been less relevant actually...

    Tim Kaine is only relevant if you believe all the stuff about Hilary being at death's door - and she doesn't look like she is to me.

     

     

    Maybe all we're seeing now is the Hillary double image

    You've got me wondering what happened to all those Saddam Hussein impersonators...

  • Hung, just to be on the safe side.

     

    You've got me wondering what happened to all those Saddam Hussein impersonators...

  • Probably unemployed like most of the country, worried about their families safety and surviving on 4 hrs electricity a day....

    thanks Tony..

  • NayanNayan ✭✭✭

    Whether you like his politics or not, Obama never got accused of groping anyone, never got done for deleting emails and as as far as I know never went on the record saying he'd smash his own daughter if he wasn't her dad.

  • TopSecTopSec ✭✭✭
    Screamapillar wrote (see)

    I think it is a bigger issue than just Trump though.

    The Republicans have put stifling the Obama government above the good of the nation on more than one occasion (remember when they refused to approve the budget and thousands of government employees went unpaid?)

    Trump just seems to be the ultimate expression of the politics of obstruction - he has no coherent policies of his own.

    And with the small matters of being a tax dodger, racist, misogynist, pathological liar and alleged serial sex offender where does it stop if someone like that can be elected?

    Charles Manson 2020? 

    BTW just back from the USA, never met any Trump supporters. Mention of him was met will eye-rolling at the very least, but then I was in New York, not Texas...

    I'm in Texas right now (we split our time between UK & Houston).  If I'm honest the majority of Houstonians are against Trump, but you don't need to drive far out of town to come across 'Trump country'.  

    We do quite a lot of road trips and drive all over the US and I've said to my husband a few times when we've been out in the sticks "what on earth have the people who live here got anything to do with Washington?"  I think a lot of voters are rebelling against government per se (a bit like us with the Westminster Village?).

    There is a lot of hate towards Hillary as well.  I did wonder if Pence was in it to improve his 2020 chance but I think his connection Trump will rule that out in the future.  Seems to me the GOP need a big sort out, maybe this will be it.

    It's a buggers muddle and I seriously wonder what will happen when he loses as he is whipping up some hysteria over here image

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    Clinton's chances of winning have been reduced dramatically by the latest announcement by the FBI. All unbelievable really.

  • Except it was 3 emails from an assistant to the same assistant basically sending them to herself to print off, and actually nothing at all to do with Clinton herself, but apart from thatimage 

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    ...yes...all true....but it's the headline that FBI is investigating Clinton which backs up and gives further ammunition to Trump's claims that she is a crook...lock her up and all that.

  • JT141JT141 ✭✭✭
    It's quite a hand grenade thrown in days prior to the election. It's a worrying thing for the FBI to do - it seems to be more of a procedural issue but could have significant influence on the election. As far as I can see the emails issue has been thoroughly scrutinised and amounts to very little. In the US though it is massive scandal in the public psyche. Even against the mountain of shit against Trump, this will be held up as an equivalent black mark against Clinton. It isn't. It's an absurd equivalency, but considered opinion appears to be dying, or at least very unwell. I can't understand the general demonisation of Hillary. She's a fairly standard civil servant. Not exactly thrilling, but smart and competent. Trump on the other hand...
  • RicFRicF ✭✭✭

    is more entertaining

    🙂

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    Trump is going to win isn't he?

  • RicFRicF ✭✭✭

    I think there's a few who hope they both lose.

    🙂

  • Can't wait to see the follow up concept album ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg

     

     

     

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    If Trump does get in will he really build that wall and get Mexico to pay for it, will he ban Muslims from entering US, will he allow torture of terror suspects and kill ISIS family members, will he push to allow Saudi Arabia to have nukes, will he really not support other NATO countries if invaded? Will he really make America great again?

  • 15West15West ✭✭✭

    Clinton innocent again. What a farce.

  • JT141JT141 ✭✭✭
    Sadly the narrative for Hillary is that she's shady. Not a lot she can do about it. Republicans in Congress have been flinging accusations at her for years. God knows how much time and money was put into congressional hearings about the embassy attack in Bengahzi, revisited again and again to try and find something, anything to implicate wrongdoing and culpability. Amounted to nothing. Again with the home email server, and the deletion of emails. Nothing much beyond oversight. Yet the background noise of unfounded accusations from the political opposition ever grows and permeates and what is accusation takes root as real. Beyond blocking and smearing I'm not sure what the Republican party really stands for anymore - the product of which is Trump, a man who would cause a consitutional crisis to promote one of his golf courses. So the narrative is Hillary is one of the worst presidential candidates in history. Because she's shady. And because she's unpopular with a high proportion of an infantilised electorate who mistake their own ignorance for cynicism. A bit like us with Brexit.
  • True.

    But even if you believed this, ultimately, would you not  favour a "shady" candidate over an utterly deranged one?

    Has everyone (including Trump himself) forgotten that there is a, ACTUAL court case against Trump University pending? It begins on November 28th. 

    And the way he is going on it's as if he doesn't believe he could possibly lose because if he does it must mean the election is rigged.

    I mean you give someone with NPD and no diplomatic skills the position of most powerful man in the world and you think you can moderate him? 

    Every US government organisation must be having crisis talks...

  • NessieNessie ✭✭✭

    There are so many "shady" politicians in the US, UK and every other country in the world that you'd be lucky to find one that isn't.  I genuinely believe Obama is as straight as they come, because with so many racists in the US, he had to be squeaky clean to stand a chance.

    I'd rather have a shady Hillary to a deranged Trump any day of the week.  But I don't have a vote.  Really quite scared as to what will happen tomorrow.  It will have an impact on the whole world.

  • infantilised electorate who mistake their own ignorance for cynicism

    JT41, best description yet

  • Say what you like about out own f*cked up political system, those sexual misconduct allegations would have sunk anyone over here even if the other stuff didn't.

    Read an interesting comment about the female vote today though which basically theorised that if misogyny is at the heart of the campaign against Hillary it also means that women voters probably aren't being asked about their voting intentions as much as they should be.

    Ergo - do we really know how they are voting? Are millions of them about to elect Hillary while everyone is looking the other way?

    How good would that be?

     

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