Mick - Many thanks. I'd better clarify that my fastest times were being achieved at around the same age when your fastest time would be about 8 minutes quicker over 10K! You lost me a bit in the stats but it's great that you can combine your love of fitness with your love of - and skills in - stats. I guess that the lack of perfect performance predictability is something to do with intervening variables such as diet, conditions on the day, motivation, efficiency, sleep and probably many others? Interesting to ponder, though.
Ray well done for surviving Dublin - it can be tricky!! Quick story During the late '80's, and at the height of the IRA troubles, I was project managing a plastics plant for a Dutch company in Ireland just outside of Dublin. It was a international team from 5-6 countries. We had finished the first big phase and so I took the team for a night out in Dublin guided by the Irish contractors. We finished up in a large folk club where the majority of the songs were about past oppression and the Troubles. The compere on stage heard that there were a group of Englishmen in the club and made some pointed comments about the British and the government in London. So me, emboldened by several Guinnesses, stood up and said "Talk about oppression over here, you should try coming from the NE of England and then you'll all know about oppression from London" Cue great applause and much more free Guinness to consume for the rest of the evening
Excellent miling session - should stand you in good stead.
John well done on your new parkrun course - it's anther place you will have to go back to in order to defend your position One's body gets used to the feel of a certain pace and one knows intuitively how fast one is going I've never been big on pre race predictions of time - I tended just to go out a run by feel up to HM's. The only ones I have been careful about have been marathons but even then I overcooked it in the first one I did, running a HM PB for the first half, then crawling the last few miles with absolutely nothing in the tank!!! On shorter races one can always adjust pace and finish as energy resources are there but marathons do find one out.
Mick Nah - just train more Love your phrase "pony tailed". I shall promptly adopt it as it regularly happens to me. In fact his morning I was pony tailed by a tall blond young lady wearing a brown tee shirt with Ontario Canada on the back with a tree and a path. I couldn't catch her to find out more
Columba you are being very disciplined over your layoff
Just be careful of those bad backs out there people. They can turn very nasty
Three days of travelling about by rail and plane makes me realise just how carp our transport system is. One would think that when it's -6 C at 0800 someone would anticipate that a plane that has stood on the tarmac all night may need de-icing. Oh no, they have to wait until everyone gets on before starting that so my flight to S'ton on Friday was delayed by 45 minutes whilst they did precisely that!!
Anyway beautiful, cold frosty morning here, crunchy underfoot but a bright, low sun as I did 7.25 miles in 70 min (9:39m/m) and av HR 131 67% WHR) with a max of 149 (80% WHR)
felt pretty comfortable apart from some twinges in the right leg which felt slightly nervy in origin. However concentrating on Hipps Hill dissipated them!!
I finally glanced up at the top of Hipps Hill to see the distant moor tops resplendently glistening with the hard white frost in the bright sunshine. I thought longingly of the days when I would stretch out and run there and back just for fun and thought to myself "not yet old man, not yet" Unfortunately the image that was planted in my brain still remained (apologies to S+G) when I firstly read MIck's tales of the past and again when I looked at Garmin Connect and it still shows the last long run I did as a reminder of times past on 26 May 2013. Here was my report on it
Lovely morning here - out early to beat the heat (long time since I said that!!) but found it was still cool on the moor tops as a steady northerly breeze/wind took the edge of any temperature gain from the sun. The sky was alive with larks and curlews giving it everything to establish territory and mock this intruder but I was content to listen as I ran 18.1 miles in 2:40:47 (8:49m/m) with avHr128 (63%WHR) and a max of 147
TS, The next time I am in the UK we should meet up for a drink and reminisce about the 'good old days'. I was most impressed with your run from back when so I checked to see what I was up to that weekend. I ran a 10k.
05:30 PM Saturday, May 25, 2013 National Capital10k, 12c, cloud, windy, HRM battery failed, head wind on second half. 3rd place. Weather data Ottawa Mean Temp = 11c, Min Temp = 6c, Max Temp = 16c Humidity = 51% Mean Wind Speed = 21 kph, Mean Wind Direction = North Run Duration = 47:51, Run Length = 10.1 Kms or 6.3 Miles Average Run Pace = 04:44 per Km or 07:37 per Mile, Age grade = 73.6 % Average Run Cadence = 87.4, Average stride length = 1.2 m
Pity it has missed the last two weeks of posts off...... just putting this on so that the thread may appear on the front page where it should be - more later
seems the above post had no effect on improving the rankings!!
easy two miles yesterday morning followed by a brisker 4 miles in the evening over some new terrain followed by a dodgy beer which I sent back - and got another one free of charge!! Dull and grey and drizzly this morning as I did 5.25 miles in 49 mins exact (9:20m/m) on legs that felt quite fresh. 09:36 09:02 09:12 09:02 10:09 Hipps Hill - so close to wiping that 10 off 02.02
No reliable HR results again - that sneaky purchcase is looking on the cards
Some dry snow flurries on chill NE wind this morning but pleasant enough inside a HH top. 5.25 miles in 48:42 (9:16m/m) with avHR133 (67% WHR) and a max of 150
see if anyone finds me here!! Great rugby game yesterday but surprisingly all my contacts in Cardiff who were so keen to talk to me after the World Cup game seem to have gone away I just wanted to tell them how well Wales had played and to add my sincere commiserations for the loss.............
I suspect I did not have enough pork pies yesterday, or too much beer, but this morning's 9 miles was, in contrast to last week, was quite tough going although sleety snow and a biting wind did not really help to make one feel comfortable
So 9 miles done in 87:36 (9:43m/m) with avHR 131 and a max of 150 10:45 125 136 08:31 132 142 09:22 133 142 09:30 132 139 09:43 131 142 09:53 131 142 09:22 133 138 10:33 137 150 Hipps Hill 09:54 132 143
average HR quite steady and it did burn over 1000 calories so it wasn't all wasted!!
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Mick - Many thanks. I'd better clarify that my fastest times were being achieved at around the same age when your fastest time would be about 8 minutes quicker over 10K! You lost me a bit in the stats but it's great that you can combine your love of fitness with your love of - and skills in - stats. I guess that the lack of perfect performance predictability is something to do with intervening variables such as diet, conditions on the day, motivation, efficiency, sleep and probably many others? Interesting to ponder, though.
hello all - I'iiiiiiiimmmm back
Ray
well done for surviving Dublin - it can be tricky!!
Quick story
During the late '80's, and at the height of the IRA troubles, I was project managing a plastics plant for a Dutch company in Ireland just outside of Dublin. It was a international team from 5-6 countries.
We had finished the first big phase and so I took the team for a night out in Dublin guided by the Irish contractors. We finished up in a large folk club where the majority of the songs were about past oppression and the Troubles. The compere on stage heard that there were a group of Englishmen in the club and made some pointed comments about the British and the government in London.
So me, emboldened by several Guinnesses, stood up and said "Talk about oppression over here, you should try coming from the NE of England and then you'll all know about oppression from London"
Cue great applause and much more free Guinness to consume for the rest of the evening
Excellent miling session - should stand you in good stead.
John
well done on your new parkrun course - it's anther place you will have to go back to in order to defend your position
One's body gets used to the feel of a certain pace and one knows intuitively how fast one is going
I've never been big on pre race predictions of time - I tended just to go out a run by feel up to HM's. The only ones I have been careful about have been marathons but even then I overcooked it in the first one I did, running a HM PB for the first half, then crawling the last few miles with absolutely nothing in the tank!!!
On shorter races one can always adjust pace and finish as energy resources are there but marathons do find one out.
Mick
Nah - just train more
Love your phrase "pony tailed". I shall promptly adopt it as it regularly happens to me. In fact his morning I was pony tailed by a tall blond young lady wearing a brown tee shirt with Ontario Canada on the back with a tree and a path. I couldn't catch her to find out more
Columba
you are being very disciplined over your layoff
Just be careful of those bad backs out there people. They can turn very nasty
Three days of travelling about by rail and plane makes me realise just how carp our transport system is. One would think that when it's -6 C at 0800 someone would anticipate that a plane that has stood on the tarmac all night may need de-icing. Oh no, they have to wait until everyone gets on before starting that so my flight to S'ton on Friday was delayed by 45 minutes whilst they did precisely that!!
Anyway beautiful, cold frosty morning here, crunchy underfoot but a bright, low sun as I did 7.25 miles in 70 min (9:39m/m) and av HR 131 67% WHR) with a max of 149 (80% WHR)
09:53 122 133
08:52 130 138
09:16 132 139
09:53 132 136 delayed crossing a road
09:19 131 137
10:55 138 149 Hipps Hill
09:29 134 136
02:25 136 140
felt pretty comfortable apart from some twinges in the right leg which felt slightly nervy in origin. However concentrating on Hipps Hill dissipated them!!
I finally glanced up at the top of Hipps Hill to see the distant moor tops resplendently glistening with the hard white frost in the bright sunshine. I thought longingly of the days when I would stretch out and run there and back just for fun and thought to myself "not yet old man, not yet"
Unfortunately the image that was planted in my brain still remained (apologies to S+G) when I firstly read MIck's tales of the past and again when I looked at Garmin Connect and it still shows the last long run I did as a reminder of times past on 26 May 2013. Here was my report on it
Lovely morning here - out early to beat the heat (long time since I said that!!) but found it was still cool on the moor tops as a steady northerly breeze/wind took the edge of any temperature gain from the sun.
The sky was alive with larks and curlews giving it everything to establish territory and mock this intruder but I was content to listen as I ran 18.1 miles in 2:40:47 (8:49m/m) with avHr128 (63%WHR) and a max of 147
1 09:38 126 153
2 09:00 129 147
3 09:06 131 139
4 09:11 136 141
5 08:44 131 138
6 08:47 128 137
7 08:13 121 133
8 09:02 133 141
9 08:31 127 133
10 08:28 123 126
11 08:01 120 125
12 08:21 121 124
13 08:37 125 147
14 08:49 130 145
15 09:05 133 140
16 08:45 130 140
17 09:16 133 138
18 08:55 135 140
19 01:11 129 132
the next week I was stricken with my spinal problems and four years on I still can't run one mile at the pace I ran 18 at then
The past is a different country
TS - welcome back. Good story about the evening out in Ireland. I think most trips to Ireland generate a good story or two!
A 7 miler for me today.
TS,
The next time I am in the UK we should meet up for a drink and reminisce about the 'good old days'.
I was most impressed with your run from back when so I checked to see what I was up to that weekend. I ran a 10k.
05:30 PM Saturday, May 25, 2013
National Capital10k, 12c, cloud, windy, HRM battery failed, head wind on second half. 3rd place.
Weather data Ottawa
Mean Temp = 11c, Min Temp = 6c, Max Temp = 16c Humidity = 51%
Mean Wind Speed = 21 kph, Mean Wind Direction = North
Run Duration = 47:51, Run Length = 10.1 Kms or 6.3 Miles
Average Run Pace = 04:44 per Km or 07:37 per Mile, Age grade = 73.6 %
Average Run Cadence = 87.4, Average stride length = 1.2 m
Lap Duration Kms Miles Per Km Per Mile Cadence Slength(m)
01 04:37 1.0 0.6 04:37 07:25 88.0 1.23
02 04:35 1.0 0.6 04:35 07:23 89.0 1.22
03 04:37 1.0 0.6 04:37 07:26 88.0 1.23
04 04:47 1.0 0.6 04:47 07:42 88.0 1.19
05 04:47 1.0 0.6 04:47 07:42 87.0 1.20
06 04:41 1.0 0.6 04:41 07:32 87.0 1.23
07 04:45 1.0 0.6 04:45 07:38 87.0 1.21
08 04:51 1.0 0.6 04:51 07:48 87.0 1.19
09 04:49 1.0 0.6 04:49 07:44 87.0 1.20
10 04:50 1.0 0.6 04:50 07:46 86.0 1.20
11 00:33 0.1 0.1 04:34 07:22 88.0 1.24
I can remember be very disappointed with my time and placing.
Pity it has missed the last two weeks of posts off......
just putting this on so that the thread may appear on the front page where it should be - more later
easy two miles yesterday morning followed by a brisker 4 miles in the evening over some new terrain followed by a dodgy beer which I sent back - and got another one free of charge!!
Dull and grey and drizzly this morning as I did 5.25 miles in 49 mins exact (9:20m/m) on legs that felt quite fresh.
09:36
09:02
09:12
09:02
10:09 Hipps Hill - so close to wiping that 10 off
02.02
No reliable HR results again - that sneaky purchcase is looking on the cards
Blimmin' cold this morning as I did 5.5 miles on the hillier route again in 52 min exactly (9:27m/m)- I am getting quite good at these time estimates
10:37 all uphill and big uphill too
08:37 wheee - down the other side
09:05
09:06
10:19 Hipps Hill
04:18
Useless HRM readings again but I kept the effort at aerobic levels throughout
Hopefully I will be able to covert some of those mile times starting with a 9 into ones with an 8 in front before too long
Some dry snow flurries on chill NE wind this morning but pleasant enough inside a HH top.
5.25 miles in 48:42 (9:16m/m) with avHR133 (67% WHR) and a max of 150
09:32 121 134
08:44 134 143
09:15 135 142
08:58 134 141
10:19 141 150
01:56 139 144
a long time since two mile times started with an 8
Great rugby game yesterday but surprisingly all my contacts in Cardiff who were so keen to talk to me after the World Cup game seem to have gone away
I just wanted to tell them how well Wales had played and to add my sincere commiserations for the loss.............
I suspect I did not have enough pork pies yesterday, or too much beer, but this morning's 9 miles was, in contrast to last week, was quite tough going although sleety snow and a biting wind did not really help to make one feel comfortable
So 9 miles done in 87:36 (9:43m/m) with avHR 131 and a max of 150
10:45 125 136
08:31 132 142
09:22 133 142
09:30 132 139
09:43 131 142
09:53 131 142
09:22 133 138
10:33 137 150 Hipps Hill
09:54 132 143
average HR quite steady and it did burn over 1000 calories so it wasn't all wasted!!
welcome back - hope you had a good holiday.
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