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  • Tommy - It's the Rowheath 5k - think Lou's done it in years gone by. You may well have a max hr that high - if the trace creeps up gradually, it's likely correct. If it's spiking left right and centre it's likely not correct.
  • Tommy2DTommy2D ✭✭✭

    I've just double checked and it was 195 not 197, it did creep up on the run in to the finish line. Think I'll dig out my results from the trials I did at Loughborough Uni a couple of years ago and see what my max was then as they basically tested me to exhaustion.

  • Yeah that should be very accurate compared to wrist based optical.
  • Tommy2DTommy2D ✭✭✭

    Max heart rate of 198 when I was tested back in 2014.

  • Mr VMr V ✭✭✭

    Muddy - Good luck for the 5k. Do you think you are in decent shape? 

    Thanks that's good to know. How did you decide what pace to set out at, at Hull? Seems like a hard thing to judge first time out.

    Tommy - Not until the 8th October so a good couple of months yet. Are you properly targeting some track distances then?

  • Mr V, I'm not in 5k pb shape and I haven't raced since London tbough I've done some races limiting myself to threshold effort. I haven't done myself any favours with 12 miles today either, so not placing  much importance on the race tomorrow.

    On finding marathon pace, I worked off heart rate for my half at marathon effort.  I think I had some discussion about this here with Lit where our av heart rates for our marathons came out almost exactly in the middle of the theoretical effort zone. 

    I think the Vale of York half will help you to corroborate where your theoretical marathon pace is, if you can race it full tilt relatively tapered.

    Tommy - That sounds about right then as you lose around a beat per year from your max. 
  • Well the 6 weeks turned out to be less than a week so I have my X Ray results and they show..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................nothing.

    So now I'm really stuck and having talked to my Physio he says he's probably not the next port of call so it's

    1) Go back to doctors and see if they will give me an MRI scan.
    2) Go to a Podiatrist - he has recommended a local one.
    3) Try and get in to see a specialist at a Manchester hospital.

    So I'm onto 1) in the morning.

    Good luck tonight Muddy.

    Happy Birthday (I think) Tommy. 

    Nice fast HM running Mr V.

    Hi Lou - I hope you asked McFlooze where the fire was?

    Keep it going Mace - I need a comeback kid to model my return on.

    Well done on not coming last Lit.

    Wasn't that fiasco with Makwala ridiculous last night!
  • Haha - I see they have extended the ridiculousness into today by allowing him to run an individual 200m time trial to try and get into the semis. 

    It says none of the other runners who have already qualified will be affected (until the person who finishes fourth in the final behind him presumably).
  • No no I did come last! But I still won a medal. :)
  • What's the Birmingham great half like ? I have entered and understand there are hills towards the end but the rest of the time? Whenever I have driven around Brum it has seemed undulating rather than anything too harsh 
  • Mrs Skinny has diagnosed cuboid subluxation - it's not impossible she's right.
  • literatin said:
    No no I did come last! But I still won a medal. :)
    Oh that's useless - what happened to your sprint finish?

    No TTT prize - effectively it's a medal for turning up.
  • It would have been anyway, even if I had been in the slower heat, which I would not have come last in (results based on all the races combined), as there were not many women in my category. But it is still a medal in a national championship, which other women could have entered if they thought they were good enough, and in fact you do not get the medal unless you also attain the minimum standard.
  • Good luck with the docs tomorrow Skinny. Someone else had cuboid subluxation on the thread as I recall, as at the time it put me in mind of something Orbital would call one of their tracks. 

    Skinny, I thought the lady doctor got a hard time from the sofa dwellers on the BBC last night, unfairly. 

    Not a great race tonight. Although still returning to top fitness, I felt below where I was 2 weeks ago when I cruised a 17.58 threshold effort parkrun.  I've been training diligently since then so it was a little puzzling to run 17.44 tonight (on my watch) for around 40th, I think. 10k effort on the hrm shows I lacked the ability to hit the top end 5k effort which is likely to be due to carrying some fatigue. It was a harder course than I expected with a long drag uphill on each of the two laps. No idea of age category performance though as it was a paper based system so needs a fair bit of time to be processed. 

    Richard - There used to be a long drag uphill of around 1.5 miles at the end of the Birmingham half that was a killer but they are changing the route this year. It is looking like they will have a modest uphill towards the end, a short rise in the middle, but otherwise just mildly undulating and nothing really testing. 
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    Skinny, i would jyst set aside £500 and see whoever you need to.

    Richard, I'm doing the marathon version. I'm advised it's flater than it used to be but still a few hills.

    I've done well on holiday running  so far. it's hideously hot at 35c but been enjoying some really good progressive runs. Reduced mileage has left my legs really up for it .
  • My friend American Fifi alleges that you can test for a stress fracture using a tuning fork. It turns out that this actually is not *total* bollocks, though I would not be relying on it!
  • macemace ✭✭✭
    Good work muddy

    Skinny -
    i'd go for #2. I't seems that either one of us has been on some sort of comeback since this thread began ( mostly you ). What i like about a comeback is that you know roughly what it takes to get the improvement and how far you can get whereas when you're starting out it's an unknown. I remember when i started out wondering how the hell it's possible to run quicker than 9:00/M ....


    9M yesterday morning with the last mile progressive @ 7:16/M ( i assume i was hitting 6:xx/M at some point but haven't checked that yet... go me !! ) and this morning a 5M plod without a watch in the absolute pissing rain which was very enjoyable.

    I should hit close to 45M this week if i can get a long run in ; i'm 'crewing' for a clubmate who is doing an overnight triathlon starting about 7pm Saturday with a 2M swim , 100 odd mile bike ride and then a 26.2 so i the plan is to do about 15M with him at probably a very slow pace.
  • 17:44 still a good time to be disappointed with Muddy.

    Mace it's funny on comebacks when you decide to go a bit faster and feel like you are almost exploding into sustained speed and after about quarter of a mile you look expectantly down at your watch and it's showing 7:32 minute miling and you deflate and return immediately to 9:00 pace wondering how the hell did you ever run your 10k pb.

    I went for #1 but the doctors had no appointments to even speak to a doctor on the phone today so I need to ring back tomorrow at 8am.
    So I went for #2 but the Podiatrists are on their summer break until next Monday.

    So it's back to the pasties, chips, beer and golf till next week. (I'm doing some core work, press ups and weights too but all at a much more modest level than the DT animal).
  •  Someone else had cuboid subluxation on the thread as I recall,  

    As an add on, I remembered that it was Bob that had this issue Skinny.

    As another add on, Richard, Birmingham half can attract in excess of 20,000 runners. It is a congested at the start, and there are not enough portaloos.
  •  Someone else had cuboid subluxation on the thread as I recall,  

    As an add on, I remembered that it was Bob that had this issue Skinny.
    Perhaps Tommy could ask Bob about it next time he sees him and Bob might even make a guest appearance to give me some advice (if he cares*).

    *The last bit is just blatant emotional blackmail which I expect to be 100% successful.
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    I agree with Lits analysis on her medal situation btw.

    Talking of which it seems I will never physically receive my county half Mara medal from March due to a string of cock ups. I have received my v35 prize following my recent 10k. 

    Doctors are a bloody nightmare to see these days, Skinny.

    Richard, just target the disabled toilets. There is no disabled athlete race going on so they don't get used and therefore are clean and spacious. 

    Bad luck on the 5k, Muddy. I find there is a very fine line between 5k pace and drifting into 10k effort. 

    6 miles yesterday on my lighthouse loop at 7.34mm average in about 35c heat. My HR is remaining at a sensible level comparative to what I'd expect on a gloomy U.K. summers day. Managed to run 5 of 8 days so far, nothing more than 6. It's surprising what accumulated fatigue I must have had as legs feel great at minute. 
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    Just to prove, Skinny!
  • Well done DT and actually I agree with Lit's case too, particularly as there was a minimum standard required and it was the National Champs rather than just some track event. Where are you by the way - 35 degrees sounds way too hot but it's been about 14 degrees and wet here for about the last month so a quick 5 minute burst of 35 degrees would be pleasant and then I could complain like hell about it being too hot obviously.

    Rich - don't rely on the Disabled toilets though if DT is doing the marathon on the same day - he will be camped out in there eating his pre marathon picnic and cleaning his teeth (and obviously doing a few shits and wiping his arse).

    Going back to the Makwala situation they seem to have ended up in completely the incorrect position.

    He was not fit to run the 200m heats - unlucky but he's out of the 200m.
    He was fit to run the 400m final - but they didn't let him run.

    Now he looks likely to pick up a 200m medal which should have been for someone else whilst missing out on a 400m final that he has spent all his life  training for.
  • Skinny, I can also imagine some slightly awkward post race embraces !

    I think they were right to try to keep him under quarantine if the facts of the time of his last vomit were correct. It is this that his team disputes. He may well have been feeling better and fit enough to run the 400 final  but even then he was highly likely to still be infectious if within the quarantine period. Even then it seems he was roaming round with not much regard for contagion !

    Whether they could have re-scheduled is another question. I think perhaps not, with so many other athletes being affected, they may have had to throw the schedules out completely. At the time they had no idea of whether it would be contained either.

    It's all very unfortunate.
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    I'm in lanzarote. We've just had a calima for a few days.

    I've not followed this, save that an athlete was banned from competing to quarantine him. What did he race in the end?
  • Skinny Fetish FanSkinny Fetish Fan ✭✭✭
    edited August 2017
    He was fastest of the qualifiers for the final of the 400m but wasn't allowed to run as he was put in quarantine* because he had norovirus. Except it's not 100% certain that he actually did. He turned up at the stadium saying he was fit to run and they wouldn't let him in. There was a right to do about it and during the evening the BBC TV team interviewed Botswana team representatives and believed every word they said and then later the IAAF Medical Officer and they grilled her like she was a POW.

    The day before the final was the 200m heats that he didn't run in either - it is unclear who pulled him out of this. Then the day after the 400m final he wasn't allowed to run in they arranged a special 200m time trial for him to run in alone and if he beat the slowest qualifier time then he got into the semis. He did and then ran one of the faster times in the semis so is now in the 200m final with a good chance of a medal.

    Meanwhile he is still really unhappy about not getting the chance to run in the 400m final that is his main event that he does all his training for.

    To prove how not ill he was after he ran his individual 200m time trial in 20.20 he dropped to the track and did 3 or 4 press ups that were pretty appalling in terms of correct form but did show that he was really really angry about being told he was too ill to run.

    All good fun. :-)

    * Except the quarantine was not enforced and he was able to wander round giving interviews and trying to enter the stadium to run so another farcical part of the whole episode.
  • Tommy2DTommy2D ✭✭✭

    Skinny - I'll ask Bob next time I see him (not sure when this will be as it's been months since I last saw hi - last time we spoke he was struggling with another Achilles injury and was feeling a bit disillusioned.

    You forgot to mention in your summary above that by finishing second in his semi final he pushed the British guy (Mitchell-Blake) into third and with only the top two automatically qualifying the British bloke was not due to make the final (as it happened he went through as a fastest loser). However, the BBC took the opportunity to interview Mitchel Blake (who was obviously disappointed at the time of the interview as he thought he hadn't qualified) alongside Makwala who wasn't particularly bothered abut talking about his 200m performance (during which he'd shunted out the bloke stood next to him who was racing in front of his home crowd) but more so about having a rant about missing the 400m. Great fun.     

  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭
    Skinny: you mentioned that you might want to seek advice in the Manchester area. If so, I have a few contacts that might fit the bill: two consultants who work for the GB team plus a couple of excellent physios who have a keen interest in running.
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • Thank you Alehouse - Manchester is number 3 on my list because it is a good two hours drive away however if 1 and 2 do not yield results then I will be tracking you down for your recommendations.

    The problem in seeing someone so far away is that it is okay for one appointment but after so long this is probably not going to be a one visit fix but I'm running out of options locally.
  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭
    Skinny: actually a one off appointment may be the way forward! I suspect you need an ultra sound scan and that would hopefully lead to recommendations about what a "recovery" plan should like either for a physio to work from, or for you to follow yourself. It may even just be worth talking things over with a consultant's secretary who would at least give you an idea of appointments and cost. Feel free to message me!
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
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