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  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - maybe you don't need to make any conscious decisions just have a drink when you want one and don't have one when you don't want one.   So don't drink out of habit perhaps.

    That's what sort of happened with me and then I realised that I don't miss it.   But I will have a beer now and then and enjoy it but it might be every couple of months, or even longer now.   I had one small glass of wine over the whole of Xmas period and that was only because I needed to open the wine to add a splash to the baby leeks I was cooking.  The remainder of the bottle is still in the fridge.

    Jelly - much better to focus on a healthier diet, if you want to ditch any junk in your diet.    That's partly why I don't drink really, nutritionally it's of no benefit whatsoever and I suppose junk calories.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Shades, that's the other thing.  I think I make a lot of decisions about booze, regularly.  "It's her birthday, shall I drink?", "Shall I get in a round with my mates, or just do my own thing?", "I've got a run planned tomorrow so how many shall I have?", "I've opened that bottle of wine.  Shall I finish it off?".  Loads and loads of small decisions.  I am wondering if one decision - "I'm not drinking" - will just make things easier.  Certainly I'm doing that for Jan/Feb and I'll see how I get on.  Not trying to be OTT, but it's liberating in some ways.  Never thought I'd say that!
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - we're all creatures of habit until one day when you might suddenly question what you're actually doing  :/   which you have today!

    So maybe 2 months dry to break the routines, it is liberating to make changes
  • Big G - about 3 years ago I gave up drink for a year (just decided on NYE!) After a couple of months, I really didn’t miss it and then on the following NYE, I had one drink and ended up with a hangover! So nowadays I really don’t drink much - probably the equivalent of a glass of wine every 2-3 months and even then I regret it as feel lousy the next day. I didn’t notice any improvement with my health though, but I wasn’t really a big drinker before.

    Ian - hopefully you’ve got this injury early on, so you won’t suffer for as long as some do. Stay away from the internet though - when I had PF, I’d spend ages reading about people who suffered for years when in reality loads of people just get it for a few weeks (but it tends too be the people who suffer worst with things who write about it online).

    New shoes day! With my club discount and £20 voucher won from a race, I got £30 off.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Nice prize and shoes there SK.  Yeah, I feel a bit weird for my decision happening on NYE - I don't feel it's a New Year's fad for me, but a series of things over the weeks led reducing the alcohol being the obvious decision, and it happened to coincide on that NYE.

    Shades, yes, I had originally planned just to do a Dry Jan.  But then I thought I'd challenge one of my other habits, which is drinking a lot on holiday.  I have a holiday in Malta at end of Feb so just decided to do that dry as well.  Rather than googling "Malta bars" (which usually would have been the first thing I did!) I'm looking at other things to do instead!

    I had a clear day yesterday in terms of I took no meds/inhalers and went for a longish walk yesterday afternoon, and I slept well last night.  Still felt okay today so I wrapped up warm and did a gentle 4-miler.  Felt fine, if a bit ploddy, but it was nice to get out, and I could have carried on, but decided to leave it at the 4-miles.  Let's see how I am tomorrow!
  • Ian5Ian5 ✭✭✭
    Shades-Its not painful in the morning,more stiff and aches around the calf.been up and about for a few hours now and no issues,wouldn't even know i had a problem.
  • JugulaJugula ✭✭✭
    Shades, it is indeed an interesting thread, as well a long history of achilles problems, jugula also had a long history of alcohol problems. 
  • Glad you're starting to improve, Big G. Good decision about the booze. I always found it odd how there is such a drinking culture in running clubs. It doesn't really seem like something that would be condusive to good performance. I'm lucky that I've never been much of a drinker. I don't really like the taste of most alcoholic drinks - I enjoy big fruity cocktails (the kind with umberellas and fruit on sticks) and mulled wine, but anything else I can take or leave. It never occurs to me to drink when I'm home (I live alone) despite having numerous bottles of stuff around that I received as gifts. I'd rather have a coffee.

    I was pretty stiff and sore this morning after hot inferno pilates and considered having a double rest day but eventually dragged myself out for 4 miles recovery (around 11 min/mi). I'm undecided about parkrun tomorrow. It's my local's 100th parkrun so, as a regular, it'd be nice to go, but if there are 800 people there again there will be no chance of a decent time. I guess I could go and power walk it. See how I feel tomorrow.

    I've decided I'd like to do my long run on the Sunday purely because it's supposed to be chucking it down on Monday. I won't mind taking two rest days if I can get that done.

  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Cal, I know what you mean about running clubs and drinking.  Trotters are notorious in some ways!

    Jugula, not meaning to pry at all, but I was just wondering if running helped you in anyway with regards to not drinking?  Or what else helped?
  • Big G- very interesting your thoughts on giving up booze. I believe we all come to some point in our life when we question things we do in life. I really enjoyed having a drink as I thought it was a way of socialising until I stopped drinking about 7 years ago. My wife suffered ill health and needed hospital care at anytime so I needed to be able to drive incase she needed me. When I started my job in the Police about 4 years ago most of the incidents I go to involve the use of alcohol and when working town centres when pubs/clubs empty watching how people behave when intoxicated made me realise I don't need alcohol. That's not saying I never touch it but if I do I will not drive the following day which will usually make my mind up for me if I have a drink or not. So I only have a drink about a couple of times a year and once I've had about 2pints I loose the taste of it and don't enjoy them so I just stop. 

    I'm sure you'll do what's best for you.

    5 miles tempo today which included 3 miles at H/M pace felt really good.

    Ian- yeah I'm seriously tempted by some marathons in the north of England.
  • Big G - I found that when I was completely teetotal for a year, it sparked more conversations than now. People would try and tempt me and say ‘I bet you can’t wait until
    the end of the year’. But now, people know that I don’t really drink and don’t make a big deal of it. But I get what you mean when you say that in some ways it’s easier just to say you’re going completely dry. I feel as though I’m done with it and it doesn’t really enhance my life. I don’t want to be one of those middle aged women who waits until 5pm on a Friday when they can finally open the bottle of prosseco! I think some people associate drinking with relaxing and winding down, but I find a cup of tea works better for me.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Thanks Steven.  Fortunately I've never got in trouble with the law over drink, never got into a fight or anything.  But a few years ago I was designated driver on NYE and looking around me, whilst sober, was a real eye opener.  It was total carnage everywhere, people falling over, people being sick, walking wounded all over the place from either falling over or being in a fight.  In fact, I haven't been out in town on NYE night since then but I've gone out for a meal, gone to someone's house or something like that.  I never, ever drink and drive; it's just not worth it.

    SK, I spent an hour today Googling around this and I found this thought interesting.  "Alcohol is the only 'drug' you have to justify not taking".  We can debate if alcohol is a drug or not, but regardless, I can relate to what it's saying.  If someone says "I'm not smoking anymore" or "I'm not taking coke anymore", or whatever, chances are probably no one would try and twist their arm.  But with alcohol it's different somehow, probably partly because it's such a part of our culture.  I think it was about 5 years ago I did a "Dry January" and on the 30th Jan I was out with friends, drinking soft drinks, and someone got a pint and said "try that".  Without even thinking, I had a sip, put the drink down and immediately knew I'd blown it (it was literally just a sip).  My friends all saw my face and they hadn't done it on purpose to set me up, but they were all laughing.  I suppose it was funny and it was my fault I took the drink and not theirs, but I was so annoyed with myself.  I just can't see that scenario happening with an ex-smoker and a cigarette, and friends laughing about a momentary relapse.  Maybe I'm wrong as I don't smoke, but that's just my interpretation of it.
  • JugulaJugula ✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Big G, I could stop drinking but the trouble was I always started again. When I finally quit I was a postman and my job got me plenty of exercise. When I left and sat down for a living I started running and after a while found it beneficial not only to my physical well being but also my mental health. I have always had problems with anxiety and initially alcohol was the magic cure but as with all drugs there was a negative side to it.
    I found, and this is only my experience and isn't for everyone, alcoholics anonymous was a great help in staying off the booze and also their recovery programme works well for me in implementing some calmness into my anxious being. Meditation is a particularly helpful part as well as being able to discuss life problems with like minded people.
    Blimey that was a bit of a waffle!  But you did ask and I don't think you're prying.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    SK - nice shoes, are they the Guide 10's?

    Big G - good to hear you're back running again.

    I do think even someone giving up smoking or coke or trying to lose weight would have the same experience as you did with your friends with the beer.   When you're part of a peer group, some will try and sabotage any efforts a member of that group makes to be different and maybe correct what the others know (if only subconsciously) is probably the right decision to make as a lifestyle choice.    

    Ian - discomfort first thing in the morning is a symptom of achilles problems :(

    Jugula - oh, I didn't know about your alcohol history, but good for you for quitting and finding alternative methods to deal with your anxiety that work for you, it can't be easy.

    Cal - after your long run on Sunday you'll have packed in quite a few miles this weeks so 2 rest days will probably do you good.

    I'm the same with booze at home, I've loads in the cupboard, but don't use it, would rather have a coffee too.   A few years ago I was cooking dinner for my then boyfriend, when he arrived he was horrified to see me slugging most of a £30+ bottle of wine over the lamb shanks.   To me it was just a bottle of red that I was either given or won in a Xmas raffle.

    steven - that's a really sensible attitude to alcohol.

    What time of year are you looking at for a marathon perhaps south of the border?

    Just waiting for the 7 a.m. Pilates booking frenzy and then I can get out for my run.   Milder here today, no worries about ice today :)

  • JugulaJugula ✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Shades, it can be great for long periods then the anxiety can plague me for weeks, I could get medication but I don't like to go via that route, drinking isn't an option and I don't often think about it. Running is I really big help in improving my state of mind. Also is the food I eat plays at part, I'm quite lucky that I enjoy healthy foods anyway but if I lapse into eating processed junk I quickly feel it. For me it's a journey in learning about me and what works and what doesn't, everytime I come out of a difficult phase I learn something and when things are tough I have to constantly remind myself that it won't last forever, everything changes.
     I was fortunate yesterday as I was offered a days work, I'm also working this morning so that will ease the cash flow anxiety!!!
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Jugula, well done for finding things that work for you.  It's only recently that I've started to think about it, but I found a book yesterday that kind of unpicks the beliefs people have about alcohol.  It's interesting as I was going down that road anyway and challenging some of my thoughts/habits - "I need it to relax", "I enjoy the taste", etc - but this book basically unpicks all of those things, so I've ordered the book.

    I did a steady 6-miles this morning including parkrun.  I got all my food wrong so had a stomach ache for a large part of it meaning it wasn't overly enjoyable, plus I did feel extremely ploddy, but hopefully in a day or two I'll feel a bit better.
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Jugula - hence the luxury pillows then as sleep must be very important to you as well, tiredness breeds negative thoughts.   

    I agree food is important too as I know I feel happier when I'm eating well, that includes the odd slice of cake too.

    Hilly run today, not so cold but strong wind in places.   Got within about 5 feet of a buzzard, I came round the corner and he'd just caught a mouse at the edge of the field, he calmly flew off with the mouse.  Beautiful birds.
  • JellyJelly ✭✭✭
    Gross alert, I think I have a In growing toe nail on big toe. Has anyone had one and any tips, think it's early stages. I've tried to boot foot person sorry can't remember correct name but all do Monday to Friday and can't get time off. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Jelly - eeek, I am extremely squeamish when it comes to feet, everyone on here has to warn me if they're going to talk about feet.

    So all I can suggest until you can see a chiropodist is to pop into a pharmacy and see if the chemist can give you any advice.
  • JellyJelly ✭✭✭
    Sorry did try and warn you. 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Big G - did you have a full English breakfast this morning then? ;)
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Ha ha, Shades, no I didn't do that.  But I was up a bit late, although had cornflakes, milk and a coffee but I was kind of 30-mins out of sync, if you know what I mean...
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    Ah bad timing then and normal morning routine not followed
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Jelly - if your toe is really bad you could try the Minor Injuries at Newton Abbot Hospital, maybe see what the chemist says first.

    I'm OK as long as there are no photos.... :#
  • Shades - no, the shoes are the new Saucony Guide ISOs. They feel a bit different to the other Guides, less built up and rigid than the Guide 10s (which I’ve never owned). I haven’t got the latest model in a shoe for years, but figured as it’s a xmas present, I’d give them a go :)

    Parkrun today was a real struggle. Each mile was slower and my lungs just didn’t want to work properly. I actually wanted to stop. I don’t want to overanalyse one bad run, but am thinking of reassessing my week. I think I’m doing too many sessions with the club - Tues/Wed/Thurs this week after fitness on Monday - and not enough easy stuff on my own. I may try replacing my Hill session (Wed) with an easy run on Wed morning.

    Jelly - if you’re looking for a DIY solution, lots of regular soaking in warm water, cut nail straight across and use cotton bud or dental floss to move the nail away from the skin.
  • JellyJelly ✭✭✭
    Thank you Slowkoala 
  • SHADESSHADES ✭✭✭✭
    SK - are the shoes very different from the Guide 9's?  I haven't tried the 10's either.   

    That is a lot of work sessions in one week.

    That's a great idea using dental floss
  • Hi Shades, the guy in the shop who I know has worn most of the Guides and says these ones are very different. The lacing is different and the material feels a bit more like a fly knit. 
  • I never realised you'd had so much to deal with, Jugula. I have a couple of friends with anxiety and it really is debilitating. It's good that running helps.

    My local parkrun today, and an unexpected Garmin failure. It worked fine for the mile warm-up, but when I checked it during the parkrun itself it was just telling the time. I guess I could have accidentally started it early and then stopped it when the run started (since I didn't actually look at it). Since there were over 800 runners again, I've had to wait until now for my time (guess they ran out of barcodes again and had to do manual entries). Ran 28:05 (2nd in age group) and fastest since my injury, though the queue was out of the funnel again so I guess it was a smidge short. I am sorely tempted to do some tourism next week as Tooting is much to crowded at the moment. The question is where? Ah...

    Did some Vinyasa flow this afternoon. The studio has changed the Saturday timetable again so the midday Yin is now at 5pm, and I don't much like doing back to back classes so I skipped it.
  • Shades- was thinking sometime either in between Stirling in April and Berlin in September or after Berlin.
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