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Did anyone watch Boston today? Oh my word, it was biblical rain, they were building arks out there it was so bad. I've never seen an elite race where they ran in their jackets and masks etc. I was watching from about 5k and had a feeling Kawauchi would have a shot a win. That guy is tough, runs a fast marathon almost every month. Hard as nails and delighted for him and being an amateur too is unheard of. The ladies winner looked like she was on a training run and didn't seem fazed at all by the conditions. She ran a brilliant race. MsE - Where you watching?? A friend of mine ran it and somehow got a pb, he did 2:59 in Chicago last year and ran 2:58 today. Not many will say........... I got a pb in Boston in 2018. Lovely sunshine here again today. 7k along the prom on lunch in a modest but honest pace of 6:59mm, It's meant to get quite hot by Wednesday, can't wait.
Interesting conditions at Boston - I have half a mind to enter in 2019 - at least it can't be any worse?
Tough changes on the GFA - it would be interesting to see the age breakdown of the expected 3,000 male qualifiers - I'm surprised there are so many.
Thanks for all the congratulations. The legs are in surprisingly good condition - only minor DOMs yesterday and feeling OK today but I will take another rest day today before trying a light run tomorrow.
One of my big takes from Sunday was that the taper (apart from driving you mad) really does work and will give you that 3% increase in efficiency on the day. So take it easy everyone this week and let the taper work for you.
Looking forward to seeing how everyone gets on at London. Hope the temperature on Sunday is not going to be a big issue - a cruel irony after the winter we've all trained through.
Well done on battling through the cramps at Brighton Pibster and an excellent return on the training - bad news on the GFA changes but you could always do Brighton again.
Are you feeling sufficiently recovered for London OO?
nicko - 3:20 was the GFA time for me before yesterday's changes. Just as well I didn't go for Plan C (an easy 3:19)!
Enjoy the training in the sunshine Gerard - at least you don't have to worry about the temperature!
The boston conditions looked brutal - a friend was on for sub 3 at halfway but ended up with 3.13 said he was shivering while running! Incredible for anyone to PB I those conditions.
I think the GFA changes have upset a lot of people and I feel for anyone who thought they had qualified this spring and now hasn't. I wonder if it will cause people to push to hard on Sunday in chasing the new time? Not a good idea in the heat!
As an open age my GFA times are now as follows for the majors - good job I want to go sub 3!
London - 3.00 (Probably 2.57)Boston - 3.05 (Probably 3.01)Chicago - 3.10New York - 2.53 (That may be out of reach!)Tokyo - 2.45!!!Berlin - 2.45!
Easy 4 miles last night to shake the legs out after a few days off running. Felt good to get back out there!
Pibster- that is a great time off the training. Glad to have you join in on the thread.
The VLM rule changes are not unexpected with so few getting in on the ballot this year. The 3000 number throws up a lot of issues for male & female GFAs. I think a lot of qualifying men could get rejected, and wonder what they will do if less than 3000 women apply?
SBD- I'm also planning to do Boston next year- it will no doubt be glorious sunshine! My legs feel OK after Paris thanks. I'll run tonight & Thursday and a gentle parkrun with the family on Saturday.
Hopefully a 3:05 is realistic for London.
Nicko - I completely agree with you. I wasn't even 100% sure I wanted to do a marathon when I entered the ballot. Having got a place and thoroughly loved the training I'm already planning Autumn and Spring next year marathons! I may have never entered a marathon if I hadn't got the London place.
I find the 6/7/8 hour runners inspirational, that is serious mental toughness to keep going for that long!
If I flip this around as to how I will try and benefit from this mentally on Sunday. Whilst I am targeting sub 3, obviously the conditions will play their part. When things started to go wrong in my Autumn mara and I realised sub 3 was off, I had this huge comfort blanket that I could just run sub 3.15 and still achieve something. Equally on Sunday that could have been the case. Now however 3.15 doesn't exist and if sub 3 slips away I have an incentive in that every second further I can go under 3.05 the better chance I have of it being a GFA.
Effectively the 3.15 time provided a tired me with a very good reason once fatigued to pack it in at 18 miles.
Despite the temps we could still be saved by cloud cover. 15-17C on a cloudy day (particularly with reletaively low humidity) isn't too bad. If the sun is in full force it is.
I'm not necessarily sure I agree with the amount of plaudits a 5 hour finisher gets for finishing, when someone that runs 2.55 is just sort of shrugged off as it's just what they do. I agree that I would not fancy being out there running at what would be a comparable effort for an extra 2 hours! They have my entire respect for even entertaining the idea knowing it will take that long. I just think that often these runners get more praise than a fast runner who had put an horrendous amount in to get there.
Stevie, it looks like Nicko has answered your question. I think a lot of people in the open category and the v45-50 will decide that an extra 5 minutes is worth having a go for. I think the 10 minutes my category requires is just too much. That's a good 25 seconds a mile. Add into that the conditions and I think it could be a very messy morning for on course medical assistance.
Poacher- The faqs state that you should enter the ballot and if subsequently your GFA is accepted you will be withdrawn from the ballot. This suggests that they have tweaked the software to do this.
Again from reading faqs, it simply says that if there are more than 3000 applications the times will be reduced evenly across the age groups until they have the right number. This suggests they will have a form of software whereby total applications will be on 1 side and the starting gfa on the other. I imagine that the line will be reduced by 1 second at a time across all groups until the right hand counter hits 3000 or just below.
I think you need to make a sensible decision taking account of the conditions as the worst case scenario is quite serious. If you can trust yourself to plod it out and not try too hard then it may be OK.
Yes I see your point. The exact methodology will probably remain a source of mystery and debate and will no doubt produce the same degree of uproar when the qualifying times are realised, as when the ballot outcome is released.
Yes, I can't believe I just said that to a man that has run nearly 100 marathons!!
Poacher - it's a tradition for threadsters to post a V50 Sub 3 time, I just left it rather late. Just need to add the V55 time in November before the body gives up ...
Hope everyone is working on their hydration strategy for Sunday. At least there will be some wind.
Nicko - How do you find the carb depletion? I know you've done it before. Its caused insomnia for me! Slowly increasing carbs today so hopefully that will return my sleep back to normal.
I'm planning on having a couple of electrolyte gels on the day to keep the levels topped up hopefully that will be enough with a hydro tab in the morning.
I also felt sluggish on a club session last night, but nothing to do with carbs- not sure why really. I'm trying to keep my weight at 12 stone before I start bulking up over the weekend. I'm hoping the heat wave in Paris will serve me well on Sunday.
Is electrolyte basically salt?