Friday 22nd June 2018 - Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter


Lyrics - Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter

Hope you enjoy it emzap - at least you shouldn't have to worry about logistics. Is your back feeling better?

Is it just SC racing this weekend?

A bright, warm, still start to the day and a nice few days forecast which I hope to make the most of.

What:             easy miles
Why:              for enjoyment
Last hard:      managing my exectations
Last rest:       12/6

Yesterday's lyrics - The Longest Day by Iron Maiden.
If you think you can or you think you can't you're probably right.


  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭

    Was about to post when LMH's lyrics appeared. And I know them!

    What: hydrotherapy session...technically for my back but I am sure we will work on the knees.

    Why: opportunity knocks

    A morning of work first though. Back later.
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • BenjyBenjyBenjyBenjy ✭✭✭
    Welsh: Wow those miles are racking up, is this going to be the longest month?

    Chicksta: Sorry to hear about the headache

    Wabo: Ouch, that’s a nuisance

    LMH: Marathon melancholy, hope that bathroom is sparkling

    SC: Good going there SC, must be frustrating if there is more to give but have to apply caution. Caution is obviously best though.

    DD: Ghana, sounds interesting

    Emz: Another ouch, back seems to be a common ailment in recent months

    OH: Good news! I’m glad you summarised as was thinking is that good or not? Glass half full (of ale)

    A quick check in this morning, really busy lately, doing my regular day job but also travelling for moderation work, ferrying around for daughters swimming club, daughters dance show rehearsals, dance show tonight, school posters for fundraisers, taekwondo grading for myself and younger daughter tonight, wedding to attend tomorrow, sunday daughters show again, Niles Rogers gig Sunday evening. Going to Hull today for work visit.

    Managed to squeeze in 7.5 Wed and same again yesterday, you just do somehow, manage to squeeze a gap and go for it.

    What: Would like to get a gym or run session in but doubtful

    Why: Stuff going on

    Lyrics: Aye
  • DustinDustin ✭✭✭
    Morning all
    OH - sounds positive
    Hoping those with ailments are resting, stretching & recovering

    What - easy lunchtime
    Why - probably racing tomorrow & Monday
    last rest - 1/6
    last hard - Tuesday
    Southern Track League tomorrow on the South Coast. Still short of 2x steeplechasers and 1x5k runners. I'll be going along so if we're still short, guess I'm number pinning. Monday is vets league when again we argue over who's turn it is to avoid the steeplechase...

    Have a wonderful day!

  • Work day today
    Good run in Simmer Dim last night reaching top just before midnight. No torches required with clear sky and moon too.
    Feet sore again by end of run (but no change implemented yet)
    Lyrics sound familiar but no
  • Blimey you sound busy Benjy! I know what you mean about making time for running somehow if you want to though - and that's what P lacks.

    I'm glad you enjoyed the run OH.

    I'd love to try the steeplechase Dustin but I don't think I'd get over the barriers - I remember them being really high when I was running track (though I was a junior then). I quite fancy having a go at the high jump too but the track and field club locally is rather expensive and a bit too serious for me to go along and play.

    Hope the hydrotherapy helps Alehouse.

    So, if I'm not doing the marathon in a few weeks I need to decide what I am going to do. Autumn marathon wise I think the choice is Hull or Lancaster as we go to Florida at the end of September an October marathon is out.
    If you think you can or you think you can't you're probably right.
  • StrayceltStraycelt ✭✭✭
    Morning all. Benchies, at least enjoy this spot of good weather. Benjy, what grade are you going for tonight? Good luck, I know you'll crack it alongside your offspring (I used to worry more about them and forgot about me when I was grading!)
    Dustin: You could end up doing a double :-)
    OH I miss the summer light in Scotland...dark by 10 in Wales!
    Ale: Hope the session helps
    Wabo: Keep the good news coming
    WP: What time are you looking at for Sunday?
    Decisions, decisions, decisions. Legs okay post Wed night and playing with idea of SB at parkrun tomorrow. Looking at the weather for Sunday could be too hot to chase SB on the half but tomorrow???
    What: Gentle 5'ish
    Why: Need some gentle miles and to shake out my legs
    Last Hard: Yesterday's long day driving
    Last Rest: Oh, that'll be in the car yesterday
    Lyrics: Indeed: But which/whose version is preferred? :-)
  • WaboWabo ✭✭✭
    morning all
    lyrics yes, love
    OH lol we lose the padding under our feet, I only have to look at my grandkids feet to see how lovely they once were!!
    LMH feel your pain re oh and training etc, definitely letting our snowdonia places go
    SC  enjoy the 5 ish, jodie feels awful today but it's withdrawal from steroids hopefully..
    LMH on my no no to steeplechase, the height of them scares me!!!
    OH hopefully the insoles will help give some more padding
    busy benjy, hope you manage to squeeze something in!!
    Dustin enjoy the races!
    alehouse have a good day hope things are easing

    what: 1.5 miles, sitting with heat pad on back 
    why: its sore
    last hard: this morning albeit nice
    last rest: 31/12/16

    I know sitting is the worst thing but its hard not to in my job and I have the drive each end of the day. If you work for a small company the likelihood is you just come in when things like this happen, we're short in the office too so I just have to get on with it!
    Hoping to ease it a bit at the weekend, I watched the Argentina game laying on the floor last night!!

    Have a great weekend all, hope injuries ease up and races go well
    possunt quia posse videntur - we can because we know we can 
  • chickstachicksta ✭✭✭
    Benjy: I'm exhausted now and that was just reading all you've been up to ;)

    Dustin: Steeplechase sounds like good fun. I would knock them all over ... they're high!

    Go for it, SC. You never know, there may be two SBs coming your way this weekend. A parkrun is easily forgiven by the body :)

    LMH: Or you could just ditch marathon plans for this year and focus on those shorter distances and speed instead. I think there are a few PBs to be had :)  Then attack VLM 2019 prep with fresh legs and a vengeance and that sub 2:55 is in the bag.

    What: progression run on treadmill (12.5k in 59:49 -- the bloody thing always stops at 60 mins)
    Why: still windy, still raining. 9 degrees. Climbing to 30 again by Tuesday ... expecting more headaches
    Last hard: treadmill runs are
    Last rest: yesterday (unless you count the cycling bit at yesterday's cardio appointment - I mean, I did sweat quite a bit ...)
    Lyrics: yes
  • WelshpoppyWelshpoppy ✭✭✭

    Benjy: I am worn out just reading what you  have and will be up too...THUD Good luck with it all.
    I may if I am lucky be on the same mileage as last month.

    SC: Sadly I am not running the race I am a little peeved I did not enter. what race number are you I am hoping to be at Westcross inn- about mile 5 and then go to the prom side about mile 9 to support and I have bought jelly babies for anyone who wants some:-) But not you fast boys more for the slower runners who may need a boost.

    Chick: How is Mr Chick doing?

    Wabo Oh dear you and your back I hope the heat pad , painkillers help I have a tender back and it is a nightmare when they flare up:-(

    What 7.2 miles
    Why: Because I can
    Last hard getting out of bed an hour later at 4.30am

    Lyrics: Yes but which version.....

    On my shorter runs 8 miles and under I target a segment which is uphill only 0.29 5% gradient and today I knocked another few seconds off I am 53 seconds behind First lady and course record.Little things please little minds :):)
    Live each day as if it was your last  give it all you have to reap the rewards.
  • StrayceltStraycelt ✭✭✭
    Shorter than untended as a bit warm and did not want to break colleague on his return to the fold :-) Here comes the weekend!

  • Was feeling optimistic after appt with podiatrist yesterday. Now got her full report after video gait analysis and consultation with colleague. Apparently only issue on gait analysis is prolonged ground contact time.
    She has backtracked from the insole advice and is now recommending increasing cadence to reduce ground contact time and upping weekly training mileage.

    After 6.5 miles again last night my feet are sore again and I am hobbling.

    Do not really think I can or want to increase my mileage at present (128 Apr, 120 May, 80 so far for Jun) and my feet are sore when training. Catch 22.

    I feel despondent.
  • chickstachicksta ✭✭✭
    edited June 2018
    OH: That's not really super helpful, is it? Upping mileage or altering your running style (as in cadence increase) is usually a recipe for more injury at our advanced age :(
    You probably need to try the most cushioned shoes on the market. I'm fine in Hokas but I understand you already run in them. Maybe there's other brands / models or fancy insoles that could help. Fingers crossed.

    xpost wabo: Sorry to hear the back is still playing up. And hope Jodie is feeling better too.

    Poppy: Mr Chick is doing well, thanks. Heart function almost back to normal. There's minimal damage and that will never go away. You can actually see it on the ultrasound - there's a tiny bit right at the bottom that doesn't contract or expand like the rest of the heart. Cardiologist is happy with progress and thinking about phasing some of the medication out (he's on 8 different drugs at the mo :scream:). He also got the all clear to do whatever he likes in terms of exercise as long as he listens to the body carefully and stops if anything feels odd.

    Excellent segmenting :D  You'll catch that other woman soon.
  • DubaiDaveDubaiDave ✭✭✭
    Hi All

    Ghana was cancelled for visa reasons, mainly by the time I got one the ship would be ready to sail, thats typical of the London office, always last minute and no concept of the time needed to get visa's etc.

    OH: Why not just try buying some gel forefoot insoles and giving them a go. I'm with Chick trying to change your running style later in life isn't going to work.

    LMH: Do you have to do an autumn marathon?

    BB: Busy

    Wabo: Glad you made a considered choice.

    What: Cycled 45 miles and a 23% hill , the hill isn't that long (6 mins for me) but it is bloody steep! 

    Why: I hadn't been up there for ages and its a lovely day for a bike ride

    Last Hard: The hill

    Last rest: 09/06

    Lyrics:let me think.... No
  • Wabo - can you make some sort of standing desk arrangement? That would probably help your back. I hope that Jodie is feeling better soon.

    OH - that's a bit contradictory. I have increased cadence and found it helps in many ways, that may be worth a try. I'm guessing that you're icing post run? Strange that both feet went at once and at a time when you hadn't drastically increased mileage/changed your trainers or whatever. How old are the shoes you've been running in? I'm sorry if none of this is helpful, I'm sure you've probably thought of most of it.

    It sounds as though you're really enjoying your running Poppy.

    Are you pleased or disappointed about Ghana DD?

    Hope you have a good, incident free weekend of racing whatever you decide SC.

    Of course I don't have to do an autumn marathon but I enjoy marathon running and training, especially through the summer. Even if I decided to focus on the shorter stuff I'd still run a 20 every couple of weeks at least and would not be indulging in any of this speed work or other nonsense. Trying to play to my strengths I guess.
    If you think you can or you think you can't you're probably right.
  • WaboWabo ✭✭✭
    oh, upping mileage? I get the cadence part but not that.
    DD it was largely due to your advice I would say, it played on my mind!

    very worried about jodie actually, she is so tired and achy and now her gums are aching. This is not a good sign from lowering the steroids so I am urging her to get get her blood tested soon.
    LMH I have tried to stand as much as I can but a standing desk sort of thing wont happen overnight?  I hope the weekend will see the back settle right down, I now get why my brother questioned coming to work with this back....
    chicksta good news re mr chick
    possunt quia posse videntur - we can because we know we can 
  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭

    Wabo: I would be dragging my daughter back to the consultant/specialist/GP etc! Isn't it too early to make a decision on Snowdonia?

    Chick: good news re your OH.

    LMH: I understand fully your issues with coaching/advising! I had too many years of people not doing what was asked. It was as often too much rather than too little. 
    And things like, "I didn't run because I had a blister."
    "Show me"...quickly followed by me asking for a microscope. 

    OH: over time I have moved to a slightly different camp re cushioned shoes following my Achilles op in particular where the surgeon and his physio both recommended lighter shoes coupled with ankle flexibility and Achilles strengthening work. One argument with the more cushioned shoes is that they are more stable and tend to lead to repeating the same action more rather than the foot move more naturally. If I remember correctly LMH has moved to a lighter shoe in recent years and wonder what her views are. I wouldn't go to the lightest models but something mid range like Asics DS trainer. 

    So, hydrotherapy session which worked both the back and the knees. The back is getting stronger, both the physio and I feel; the knee was rather painful despite being under water so far less load on it. Funnily enough the last time I had a knee injury was when I used to steeplechase! I would steer clear of that event! And Chick, yes, they are high...but you will never knock one over! You certainly know it when you hit one!
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • Wabo - I don't know if you can work on a laptop? I use the kitchen work surface as a standing desk when necessary - or maybe you could find something to put your desktop on to make it the right height to stand at?

    Alehouse - no danger of P overdoing things I'm afraid. I'm not sure my experience of moving to a lighter shoe is relevant to OH but it certainly doesn't seem to have caused me any issues.

    Not a lot of half marathons of 10ks about to choose from I could do Erewash again but that isn't an official course so no use for a PB, there is Newark but it's a long drive for just a half. The two local 10ks are on Friday evenings - again not great for PB attempts.
    If you think you can or you think you can't you're probably right.
  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭

    From the archives...newspaper action shot with the heading, "Little man, big splash". Circa 1975. 

    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • You are so skinny Alehouse!
    If you think you can or you think you can't you're probably right.
  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭
    LMH: was the same build as most middle/long distance runners of the era. About 8 stone 7...wet the steeplechase anyway! 
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • Great photo AH.
    Hurdles and steeplechase are a discipline which I regard as near impossible.

    My shoe choice greatly limited by foot width.
    Am going to go with insoles with greater cushioning meantime.
    Doubt if it would be wise to take monthly mileage much higher just now.
  • alehousealehouse ✭✭✭
    OH: consider New Balance. They do a range of widths up to 6E:

    Just off to HM! Will of course have a virtual pint on your behalf!
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • Had a pair of  New Balance in my early running days which barely lasted me 100  miles - kinda put me off. Tried a pair in Aberdeen running shop recently on shop's persuasion. Didn't fit well.

    Sadly may have spent my last night in Heaton Mersey, certainly my last night in my late father's house. Enjoy the pint on my behalf.
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