Is the so-called "right of freedom of expression" dead as a concept?

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  • JT141JT141 ✭✭✭
    You haven't evaluated a single example you've given. You reject all critiques of prejudice and discrimination bar white male oppression. You render racism, sexism, antisemitism etc necessarily invalid, therefore necessarily disingenuous, therefore evidence of your position. You render criticism invalid, therefore necessarily disingenuous, further affirmation of your position. But you don't invalidate on evidence, you invalidate on the basis of a narrative that you've made up yourself, and cite what flows from that narrative as evidence of the narrative.
    We are all inclined to preferences and prejudices. But they're not neutral ideological positions and shouldn't be dressed up as such. To be able to evaluate, to be in good faith with oneself, you have to know the difference even at the cost of knowing we are personally flawed and personally culpable.
    Again, you are not oppressed, you're just full of shit. Probably everyone should have that written on the wall next to their  bed so it's the first thing seen each morning.
    I do appreciate this is not going to convince you. I know as a dialogue this is pointless. But there is a broader audience. You're using this as a platform to evangelise grievances and conspiracies that have gained public traction. They're not good. They are conceits. They get in the way of open discussion and understanding of what are contentious and difficult issues. It can seem an exhausting and thankless exercise to wade into these fever swamps with those that choose to reside there but there needs to be some counterpoint.
  • GuarddogGuarddog ✭✭✭
    No one forced Morrissey to cancel his concerts. A protest party was being arranged as a counter event highlighting comments Morrissey had made and people were free to choose which one they supported. There was no one dictating that Morrissey should abandon the concerts and so no one was impinging on his right to express himself if he so chose.

    Similarly with Alan Sugar no one compelled him to delete his tweet, he chose to, probably based on his own awareness of what it would mean commercially. Again that was his free choice to do so. He could have decided to stand by his comments and take his chance that his contract for the Apprentice wouldn't be affected or that people would still do business with him.

    You seem to equate the right to say something with the rejection of others rights to point out where they find what is being said as objectionable. And then appear to have the view that white males (and I am one) are oppressed. We are not. We are incredibly privileged. The system is set up by us and for us from the get go. Look at who represents us in parliament. Look at who sits on the boards of all major companies and organisations. Look at who tutors us in universities. Look at who takes the vast majority of positions in our sporting teams. Look at who directs the films or plays we see. If we're oppressed I'd love to see what we can do when we're set free from the chains of that oppression. Make all of those institutions a white male only preserve?

    As JT141 says above you're creating a narrative to support your very tenuous view. If you want to consider what is oppression then read of the acts carried out by white males throughout history against anyone who basically wasn't a white male. 

    Freedom of expression is a wonderful thing, but with it comes responsibility. And if you say something that someone else finds offensive you have to be prepared to be challenged on it.
  • GuarddogGuarddog ✭✭✭
    Would that mean you want to say something offensive and object to anyone challenging you on that?
  • RicFRicF ✭✭✭
    In a way, this was noted many years ago.


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  • JT141JT141 ✭✭✭
    2308 said:

    I'll take a vow of silence then.

    Which apparently does not include frantically wanking out anti-Islamic memes.
    "But it's not anti-Islamic and similes and freedom of speech etc etc."
    Bollocks. Fuck off.
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