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Moraghan Training - Stevie G
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That happened years ago. Sure it produced great runners, but equally it destroyed a lot. There's other ways of doing things. Discovering which one's work best is a work in progress, always.
The echo chamber is a universal aspect of internet forums. Doesn't matter which.
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Must be a special injury off switch for some runners. I mean, Ron Hill had an injury but still went and won a marathon as if nothing was amiss, and simply remarked the next day that the injury wasn't any better.
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People tend to break when they are caught in the vicious circle of train hard - run well - train harder - run better - train hard - run brilliantly - train harder....break down.
Its hard to back off sometimes.
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Although at your paces I wouldn't expect you to get faster from middle to end, only from the "loosener" early weeks.
The Johnas/Daniels plan did feel "right" in that I only really missed 1 pace in the whole 2 months, that was some insane paced 800m needed in the middle of a session. I think it was 2.28 needed, and I probably only put in about 2.34-6. Windy didn't help, but for me, a 2.28 is asking a lot, unless it's off a massive recovery, or completely fresh. As an effort, I'd "imagine" i could do a 2.20 or maybe slightly faster as an actual race.
Tried this, as it's a fairly costly race, but after entering details, it says i "can't enter"
What stiuplations are there round it?
Just off from work now, so will check later if you don't beat me to it.
People say how training in a group is a great benefit, and I get that in a lot of ways, but not out of control stuff - the irregular up and down paced stuff.
Try doing 30mins in a go at the pace you're trying to do 18 and 12 at in two sections. That has to be harder surely.
Good day at work with a chrimbo dinner and hour quiz. Gave me one of those occasional sweeps of "i need to socialise more".
Am sure itll pass
Just realised Gosport mile/5k double is the same day as Endure 24, arse!
I suppose the latter does have a lot more capability to be an all time great memory with the team, it's just the Gosport events, especially as a double are such a nice little combo. Will have to get to one or two of the 5 standalone 5ks.
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i have some plans to get my 5&10k more aligned with what I think I can run in 2019.
I'm reading all these training programmes and schedules from SG, Reg etc. and can't help thinking is it all over precision and should we not all just try and emulate Simon? His methods of run lots, race lots, put the club sessions in and let the rest take care of itself whilst enjoying a pint seem to deliver excellent results☺.
Just a pr for me this weekend and 18'50 at Woking no better than mediocre, but suppose its not the time of year for quick runs. Feels weird to suddnenly have these weekends with no Sunday race and its not good for keeping the alcohol consumption down!
Pete, I do agree with you partly - I think with short track reps you definitely need to be hitting target times and paces, however when it gets longer it's a case of seeing what turns out. That's one thing I like about doing almost all of my sessions (previously, and again when I reintroduce them) on the roads, they're almost always different and down to the route as well - good for emulating races.
So, target 5k this morning. Was a bit worried Thurs and Fri when looking at the weather fronts forecast to come in - mid 20mph winds, 30-40mph gusts, and torrential rain.
Got up early enough to eat etc., and the weather didn't seem as bad as forecast, which I was hoping for. Felt a bit sniffly the past few days, and so took a decongestant this morning, and had porridge and coffee - I was hoping that I'd have enough time between taking the decongestant and running, as this combination had previously delivered my only DNF due to stomach cramps.
Warm up was running from the GFs parents house into town, just over 3mi - the HR was up for easy effort, despite the route in being sheltered, and so I put down to the caffeine/decongestant. Lo and behold after half a mile or so, I felt cramp-like sensations, but they were mild. I get to the venue, and have another 30 mins until the race, and thankfully they subside.
The course is rather flat, but features 7 or 8 corners 90° or tighter, as well as a few cycling of those irritating pavement fences to encourage responsible cycling - which breaks up the rhythm.
Set off a bit too fast with a track start, not knowing where I'd sit in the pack, but the first km comes through in 3:52 as we are heading along a path around the town's college, feeling smooth and in control. In the second km is the only 'climb', a short gradual hill, at which I notice my pace dropping over the top and so make sure to put my foot down again, and had a 3:53. The next km sees us arrive in the Meadows, a park in the centre of town with paths alongside the canal and river, that has the most tight corners, including a U-turn. This breaks up the pace, with the split coming through as 3:59, but I take the opportunity to take a few scalps. We then head back onto the path around the college but in the reverse direction, so slightly downhill, and I'm making sure I listen to the feet behind and don't drop off. I'm starting to flag as the going gets tough, and have a 3:56. We carry along the path and return to the track, which is the final 500m, and so that's the opportunity to get a late surge in. Final km comes through in 3:46, and I'm cooked as I cross the line.
19:07 called out as I cross the line, but I'm not sure of my placing, and I'm very happy as I've only done easy miles and a weekly steady run since getting back to it after the GSR. In my mind I had a sub-20 aim, but also wanted to push to see what I could get, based on early miles in the Mob Match and GSR.
Jog the 3 or so miles back, and that's when the weather really comes in - horrifically heavy rain and strong winds. So glad it was pretty tame during the race!
It's now a case of continuing what I've been doing for the last 8 or so weeks into the new year, and then start working out some kind of training plan! Sub-19 should be for the taking for next month's edition of the race.
Good race there Matt. Nice to see someone not getting bogged down in micro details as regards training.
Yes Pete, the process is rather less complicated than some would believe.
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Rare social meet up with the datchet gang last night combined with a 15miler early doors today.
Surprisingly decent fare.
I know Watts and Wilson had some disagreements, with Watts writing elsewhere that you should never sacrifice a running session for weights or circuits so even within the higher coaching ranks there were differences of opinion on what works best.
I am very much in the "keep it simple camp": run plenty of miles, most of them slow, some of them quicker, lots of them hilly, most of them off-road where possible with progressive consistent consistency.
Good work Matt. Sounds like some very faffy bits in the course then?
Solid 15 SG - looks a lot like HM training...
Hilly, muddy 13 for me today. All felt OK, but rathered knackered now! Interestingly, despite this year having my lowest ever number of races, and multiple issues with niggles, I've still covered a relatively large number of (slow!) miles and on course to finish on my 3rd or 4th highest mileage year, with my highest ever ascent total.
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SG, what was that emoticon meant to signify?
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Or it was attempting to do a smiley on the phone. Goodness knows that that one is..it's not even In the options list!
Bus, here's the course - anti-clockwise lap of the track, tricky corners out, on the college path and follow into the Meadows, hang a left onto the canal path, sharp right diagonal through the park, sharp left up the river path before the U-turn, back down the river, hang a right, hang a left back onto the college path, tricky corners back into the track
I think the faff makes up for the flatness, to make it a run-of-the-mill 5k course I reckon!
SG, I didn't want my comment to seem like I'm criticising your, or others, approach. If you enjoy planning splits, and thrive on hitting them, and that's what works for you, then that's what you should do
12mi long run today, the leg that was the problem previously is feeling a little tight after yesterday, but no massive problem throughout and got better during the run. What is a pain is that it puts me on 39.9 for the week!
Certainly no offence taken from you Matt, you're the thread nice guy
Not sure I enjoy much about the tempos, bar the effect afterwards, I'll always enjoy reps more as you get to stop quite often
What shouldn't be missed though, is page 1 of this thread isn't where it started for me, i'd been going years and years before that, so i'd tried the any old iron approach... not to mention more random stuff and changes in style over the past few years.
Go easy on the leg as you're turning over decently that aside.
It's nice to have a plan, but it's also nice to be able to go and do a random race just because you fancy it. Very easy to forget it's about enjoyment, and relays/team turnouts add to that massively.
Endure 24 came up last night at the Dashers do, which should be a great event. Slightly nervous that they think 6min miling on a 5mile offroad route, is a reasonable request!