Over 60's training (Part 2)

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  • TS - yes I saw this truly astonishing effort. I don't think I've got quite the optimal balance of fast and slow twitch muscles to do myself full justice in such an event!
  • BirchBirch ✭✭✭
    Ray - good to hear from you; great parkrun, but bettered by the positive news re your son
     
    Graham - hope the mini-break does the trick re your back  . .  
     
    John - no repeat hills today (though all my routes from home do contain hills) but a very rare double - 6 this morning with a pal, then 4 this afternoon. Tomorrow will be a rest day.  
     
    TS - yes, was following Jasmin's undertaking - remarkable !   in a similar vein, I read this recently -  https://fellrunningguide.co.uk/there-is-no-map-in-hell-review/     
     amazing stuff .. . . .

    Dave
  • Dave
    that is definitely not on my agenda!!  Awesome achievement.
    Some years back I did look at doing the Bob Graham Round but fortunately an outbreak of sanity, plus injury, deterred me :)
    I have been fondly following the story of Tony Foulds and his vigil over the commemorative plaque in a Sheffield park to the crew of a USA bomber who all died when aborting a crash landing in the park on seeing the kids playing there. Nice to see he got his wish today for a fly past to take place on the 75th anniversary of that sacrifice - very emotional story.

    John
    I stopped at "balance" ............... :)

    Replaced the router on my wi-fi. Huge improvement in speed and strength of signal but I didn't realise that I would have to re set every wif fi connected device - this could take forever!!

    Hash tonight on the potentially very hilly area of the Nidd Gorge.  Only the thought of the venue being a CAMRA pub of the year entices me out
  • BirchBirch ✭✭✭
    TS - that's my local parkrun park. I've also been following the story, and, coincidentally, just before the story was first aired on BBC "Breakfast", I stopped to chat to a chap I now realise was Tony, as I was on a run through !   
     
    rest day taken as intended today.
     
    Dave
  • wow that was chilly last night but nothing like as cold as this morning - ice cream headache time!
    I rarely wear a hat but I could have done one this morning. It wasn't Mick's winter weather but cold enough to get my breath to freeze on my stubbly beard!!
    4.25 miles last night and 3 this morning and I was knackered after each run so a rest day tomorrow as I drive over to St Helens - beating John in the glamour places visiting stakes :)

    Dave
    you will need to time a run in the park in time for the fly past.
    were you aware of what he was doing before the bit on the news?  Good of you to stop for a chat - I guess that running doesn't make for much social interaction normally with other folk.

    Reminds me a bit about an elderly couple I used to see out walking their golden retriever and we used to exchange greetings.  Met them much later one day as I was going out to play football with my son and we stopped &chatted for a while.
    I noticed she was wearing a brooch of RAF wings securing her poppy an dasked if she had been in the WAAF.  Turned out she had only been a ferry pilot in WW2 and had flown almost every type of plane imaginable during that time. My son listened open mouthed to her, and as he had to do a project on WW2 for his history homework asked if he could write about her  to which she happily said yes.  It ws probably the only top mark he got in history!!! 

    PS - by elderly I mean older than me!
  • Great story Torque Steer about the elderly lady - you just never know what people have done in their lives!

    Not good news from me - don't think there will be any more posts from me if I behave myself and do what I am told.

    I went to the specialist and she said the MRI showed stress fracture of the tibia like my left leg did. Also meniscus tears like my left leg and to my horror she said she thought I might need a knee replacement at some stage. The meniscus op will be on the 21st of Feb and I have an appointment with an Endocrinologist on the 28th Feb to check out my osteoporosis. So no running or walking for me for some time I guess. She suggested stationery cycling and water running.

    Good luck to the rest of you.
  • Christine, not what you wanted to hear at all. Sorry. I can understand you not wanting to post if you're not running but I hope you won't disappear completely as you've been on here so long. Good luck with your operation and hospital appointment.
  • NZC
    oh bugger, that is not good news at all from your specialist.
    I hope the meniscus tears can be successfully treated by micro surgery. One of the women at the Hash had her's done a couple of months ago and has made a complete recovery so I hope you can similarly progress
    the knee replacement sounds (and is) very drastic. Is that based upon overall degradation of the meniscus so that you have effectively bone on bone?  If they can do a meniscus repair it doesn't sound quite that far gone hopefully.

    Do let us know how you get on and don't disappear - your experiences can be valuable to us all and I know several people ( including my wife) who have had knee replacements and what to look out for!

    Just back from an "interesting" drive over the Pennines this morning on a road glistening with ice and frost until the west side where it changed completely and I drove back in sunshine and much warmer conditions
  • NZC - this is very bad news. Hope the treatment works. 

    I had a real wake-up call yesterday. I was running to meet a friend for coffee. I was a tiny bit late. I approached a crossing and saw a green light and sped across. It wasn't a green for me but for the traffic and a driver had to hit his brakes hard to avoid me. It was such a stupid thing to do and must have looked terrible - almost suicidal. But it was 'just' a perceptual error. Something I'll never, ever repeat and not unrelated to my almost-neurosis about being late. As Captain Mainwaring might have said: "stupid boy".
  • BirchBirch ✭✭✭
    TS - I was aware that the memorial was tended , but unaware that Tony was the chap , when I chatted with him - was only when I saw the piece on BBC News that I twigged.  
     
    John - wow ! a narrow escape - elevated HR , I'll wager  . . .   
     
    NZC - good luck, and as others have said - please stick around  . . .   
     
    ticking over here - 5 yesterday (including "strideouts"), 7 steady this morning.
     
    Dave
  • Parkrun today: 21.47 (76.28%). At last I'm feeling back in a bit of form. Technically a good run: even splits. Quite windy too. Will go and support my local footie team (who play at Level 7 - a bit like my running!) with a spring in my step this afternoon.
  • Sorry to hear of your woes, NZC. I know a couple of guys who have run again post knee replacements, including one who is over 80 and still running. Keep us updated!

    Nice running John: much more like it! Obviously the shock of the traffic light incident has worked some magic!

    parkrun for me, also, but just going through the motions really with a progressive run in 24:25, first km being 5:22 and last at 4:30. Actually wore shorts (hat, two long-sleeved tops but no gloves...only because I forgot them). Parked two k away so made sure I got an extra 4k in. 
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • Dave, nice encounter with the memorial man. Splendid fellow.

    John, result! A real morale-booster. 

    Alehouse, always nice to speed up in a race rather than fade. And good to be able to wear shorts.

    Eleven degrees in Newcastle this morning so a brief return to shorts for me too. Stiff breeze though. I ran two laps on the Town Moor, all on grass and two short but very steep hills on each lap. Ran it at a steady pace but pushed hard up the hills. Four miles in all. My back is still a bit stiff but no worse and manageable.
  • alehouse - I've noticed that quite a few runners run to/from a parkrun - and these are often the speed merchants. My best ever parkrun was when I cycled (about 12 miles) to get there. I now cycle a few miles but seem to get off the bike rather stiffly and need a serious running warm-up.....especially in this weather.

    Graham - bad result for your boys in yesterday's cup match. (My own team - Worthing FC - got stuffed 0-3 at home so I can't speak.) I managed one quite decent hill today and also did about 4 miles. My 'strategy' (to dignify it) is to pack my training into the front end of the week and then ease up towards parkrun day. (I'm back at the top of the Brighton footie supporters' running ladder  - obviously only the age grade version! - and retaining my title after 2 previous years' wins is just about my only goal for 2019!)


  • at least i can slip back on here with a better footie result to ponder on :D  
    I managed to keep half an eye on the game in the pub post hash but nearly didn't bother after the first minute goal went in!

    John
    excellent result on your parkrun - the adrenaline must have been still flowing after your near miss

    Alehouse
    you wouldn't have forgotten your gloves this morning!!  
    -4C and a hard frost covering everything but fortunately no black ice as I backed up my feeble run last evening with an even more feeble one this morning but at least I didn't fall over!

    Wonder if Mick has got his internet frozen up in the polar vortex that is sitting over North America just now?
    -30C is pretty chilly even for Canadians.
  • 3 inches of snow here, TS! Doesn't feel particularly cold though, or didn't on my test run to the post office for my 95 year old neighbour. Discovered that the main road through the (urban) village was sheet ice with cars at a standstill in both directions...and this is one of the main roads into Manchester. Hope to do something off road later. This snow is, of course, my fault as I had thought of doing a very short (2 x 90 seconds) introduction to "speed" work. Won't be happening. Trail shoes are warming! Won't be wearing shorts!

    Good result for Newcastle; hope my boys can do something similar against Liverpool this evening.
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • A great result last night and a brilliant atmosphere, especially in the second half. City paid for their complacency after that very early goal. And £20m on a new player? I must be in a parallel universe.

    Very cold here but no snow yet. Wintry showers forecast for Friday might put parkruns at risk though. Hopefully not.

    We're going to Tenerife for a week soon so some warm weather running to look forward to.
  • Mick6Mick6 ✭✭✭
    Graham,
    Happy to swap our weather for yours. It is colder than your deep freeze and we have record levels of snow, an unusual combination. Definitely with you on going south, we are back to Barbados in a couple of weeks.
    Today's games are a must see and with the weather here I will be indoors.

    TS,
    -4c and you are complaining, whatever happened to that tough northern grit.

    I am still very sore but feeling ok and have had a couple of gym sessions, nothing great but 3k on a treadmill after the last month feels wonderful.

    Mick
  • Mick, enjoy Barbados and stay safe. Good to hear you're still on the mend.
  • BirchBirch ✭✭✭
    satisfying return to form at the weekend, John 

    TS -
    well done on staying upright - I'm a real namby-pamby these days if its icy - another symptom of getting a bit older ?  
     
    Graham, Mick - enjoy the warmer climes  . . .  
     
    alehouse - nicely judged parkrunning whilst well swaddled - I'm never gloveless between October and March, and much of the time in April too - my hands really feel the cold  . . .
    so you're a Foxes man - I've had a few visits to Filbert Street . . .  just watching tonight's game - Leics should probably be ahead with 10 mins of 2nd half gone  . .   

    8 cold miles this pm, after blanks Mon & Tues

    Dave
  • aaaaahh the snowbirds are gathering for their annual migration :)

    MIck
    strangely I am in email communication just now with the Barbados Exiles Hash.  I hosted them here a couple of years ago and now they invite me along to their annual get together - unfortunately not in Barbados.

    Good to see you are back on the treddie - it has been a very bad spell for you

    I don't mind the cold but it has been so mild here this winter that I haven't even bothered to get the winter wear out until a couple of days ago.  Unfortunately as I run so slowly nowadays I have to wear another layer as I don't generate sufficient heat any more!

    Alehouse
    snow over that side of the Pennines is a novelty indeed when we don't have any.
    Footie results went well - thought the Scousers were taking a liberty only clearing the goal they were attacking in the second half - cheating barstewards!

    Graham
    it's a night like that that give one hope - and it's the hope that kills :/

    Dave
    still a good day out with 8 miles in the bag
    I am a bit more cautious nowadays as well and constantly look for the parts of the footpaths that have no frost or ice on them

    It was a bit closer to Mick's freezer temperature this morning at -6C but it was very dry and a brilliant if low angle sun illuminated the glistening scenery.
    I have been feeling pretty carp for 7-10 days, meds a bit off I suspect, but  managed 4.2 miles in 40:55 (9:52m/m) with avHR of 130 (66% WHR) and a max of 150 (80% WHR) on the usual big hill so performing a bit better - still poorly historically but ok at my reduced level
  • Mick6Mick6 ✭✭✭
    TS,
    I have a great spot to run in Barbados. There is a small golf course next to the resort and you are allowed to use it for a run. I run it early so it is empty save for a colony of monkeys that don't appear too happy to see me.
    I have discovered that cold is a relative thing. Anything above -10c would be considered a warm day, everyone would be out, skiing, skating on the canal, playing in the snow whatever. Without any wind chill it is really pleasant to run in it. The air is very dry and the sun can be quite warm despite the air temperature.
    The chilly damp grey and -2c type weather in the Uk is much worse.

    NZC,
    Horrified at hearing your prognosis. As you had similar issues with your other leg is there any chance that you will overcome it on this leg as you obviously did with the other.

    Another treadmill session at the gym, 4k easy, did not feel too bad at all. Still popping pain killers but energy level is returning.

    I have a small West Highland terrier and although -16c outside she still is demanding her walk as I type this. It doesn't seem to bother her.
  • Good to see some treadmill running, Mick. Progress! Don't envy your temperatures though. 

    Fortunately I didn't work yesterday: due to the weather in the Manchester area lots of travel problems; one colleague took 4 hours to drive 13 miles; daughter took over an hour to drive a mile; another took three and a half hours to drive 7 miles. And the airport was closed for most of the day. Pavements still treacherous today: we simply aren't prepared for winter!

    TS: I thought Liverpool made a mistake and I would have kept the Leicester penalty area as slippery as possible so that the defenders couldn't keep their feet. Thought Leicester deserved at least a point (not that I am biased!). Birch: when I was a Leicester season ticket holder we were called the Filberts! First game was in 1958, apparently: I don't remember it but I have the programme...Leicester v Everton. Move on ten years and on a Saturday it was Leicester City at 3pm, alternate weeks with Leicester Tigers Rugby (season ticket) at 2:30 at Welford Road. No doubt you can hear Mary Hopkin singing "Those were the days my friend" in the background. 

    So, just 5 miles in 27 minutes this evening (and don't tell anyone that it was on the anti-gravitational treadmill at 90% bodyweight).
    Progress is rarely a straight line. There are always bumps in the road, but you can make the choice to keep looking ahead.
  • alehouse
    those stats made me splutter my hot  choccie - until I read your qualification  :)
    They were simpler times for watching sport - and none the worse for it.

    Mick
    fortunately we have been having the cold, dry, sunny stuff which, as you say, is fine to be out in and doing things!

    This morning was just like that plus a fresh covering of snow which made everything nice a white. I had a leisurely run through the pine woods on trails untouched by other feet - only 3.1 miles with an avHR of only 124 (WHR of 63%) and a max of 136 so it wasn't too taxing!!

    Six Nations rugby weekend - now that is something to look forward to - along with the beer and pork pies :p
  • Enjoyed my London visit and managed a run in Greenwich Park, but came back with a cold (as per usual when I visit London) which turned out to be a rather nasty one, and just as I was recovering we got the snow... And although it wasn't very deep here, it has left icy patches here and there, so the upshot is I have done no further running (though have been out for Fast Walks, which is how I know about the icy patches). Birch, never mind namby-pamby, I believe in avoiding opportunities for being carted off to hospital to see if anything's broken.

    NZC, stay with the thread. Even if you have no running to report (and hopefully you will have, in time) we'll want to know how the meniscus op goes, and I'd be curious to hear about your experiences with the stationary bike and water running. I remember Ceal describing water running, when she was recovering from an injury; it sounded quite strange as I seem to remember it all takes place "on the spot", with no forward progress being made.

    Good to hear from Ray too, and to learn that his son is responding to the treatment.
  • i was just looking through some old race results going back to the mid eighties.

    What struck me was how few M50's and M60's there were compared to these days.

    There were loads of races with only 3 or 4 M50 and above in them.

    I guess it's us runners who joined in the running boom in the 70's who have changed the age profile.
  • Been off line for a few days with connectivity probs. (Thanks Richard Branson; thanks Virgin.) Managed one or two decent runs but then had a bit of dental work which was a bit grim. Also the snow has been a factor here - this is unusual as the Downs usually protect us from the worst of it. 

    Managed a 22.05 parkrun today into a bitter wind; a bit disappointed with the time but my AG placing (6th out of 350) shows that others were struggling (or snuggling!) too.


    TS - some cracking rugby! The France v Wales game was the best illustration of a game of two halves that I've seen. A wager on the Welsh at half time would have been shrewd. England looked pretty damned useful. Could be a very good 6N.

    Columba - those London type germs are very sneaky.


    Alehouse - I've never heard of a gravitational treadmill before. Sounds fun...…..if a TM can ever be considered fun.

    Mick and Graham - my goodness your trips sound attractive at this time of year! I'm sure having the sun on your backs will be a great training/recuperation help.
  • Zerotolerance
    welcome - you look far too young from that photo to be our exalted company :)
    I guess that there are a lot more people that have continued running as well even though their "best" competitive days are behind them - age graded results are very useful for maintaining one's sense of self worth!

    John
    aaahhh snow in the South - that's why it made all the headline news stories  ;)
    That was still a very decent parkrun time - weather should never be discounted.  I can recall running a 10 mile out and back race and doing about 25 mins for the first 5 out and 35 min on the way back into the gale!

    Excellent rugby though quite how Wales won ( or rather how France threw it away!) I will never know.
    England/Ireland was a cracker - bedlam in the second minute as beer and pies went everywhere as the sofa erupted.  Mrs TS ws not amused!!
    Strangely none of my Irish supporting colleagues have been emailing me today, unlike after last year's result.

    I, of course, am far too much of a gentleman to email them..................

    Bitterly cold here this morning and the path back up through the park was ice bound for its entire length where it had thawed in the sun and then refroze so I walked it!!  Ye gods, I must be getting soft!!
  • BirchBirch ✭✭✭
    TS - not soft - just sensible (as per Columba)  ;  seems ice will be gone tomorrow, so hope its back to the running for you both (cold bug permitting, Columba)
     
    John - none too shabby parkrunning there - particularly as windy conditions . .    
     
    managed to complete my intended 4 week block of 40mpw with 16.5 yesterday, and 3.5 today.  161 in the block, so I'm satisfied with that.  

    welcome to ZeroT  
     
    Dave
  • Dave 
    that was a good NY Resolution completed - well done!

    So temperature was +8C this morning even though it was still dark so no excuses as all the ice had disappeared but I was carp and shuffled around 3 miles only - and that was too far!
    Even the lollipop lady outside the prep school I pass remarked "oooh that looks hard today luv" as I went past her :(
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