Hip labrum tear. I need some neutral advice please

Hi everyone.
I injured my hip in October 2018 after doing yoga and running volume of 50 per week.
I have had a mra, which has picked up a labrum tear of the right hip. I am seeing a surgeon in the uk. But because of covid it has been put on hold for a while. A physio I know says loads of people have labral tears and don’t know they do and that I don’t need surgery. My surgeon has given me a cortisone injection in the joint (most painful injection I’ve ever had), this did not improve anything.
My question is should I go in for this surgery (key hole) or just continue running on it. I only have pain now and again and is mostly a pinching feeling on the vertical part of my iliac crest (internal).
I don’t want to end up worse after surgery and I also don’t want to hurt my hip past the point of repair. Has anyone experienced this please.
Sorry for the long post, but this is driving me insane
Thanks in advance

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  • TTTT ✭✭✭
    Hi David, I was diagnosed with a labral tear, and pincer and cam impingement in 2017. Your physio is right, according to various sources about half the population have a labral tear and many do not know it. However if it has been diagnosed it means that you do know something is wrong. 

    I had surgery, it was hideous, for medical reasons I will not go into on a forum! However, after six months I started the C25K and after 12 months ran a HM. Have a few related issues, but I have a good physio and it has not torn again.

    On the NHS it can take a long time to get surgery, and you might need to invest in private physio to be back running.  
  • Glad to hear you’re back running from it TT. I also had this surgery in late 2017 almost 2 years after it was diagnosed (couldn’t afford the quoted £15k privately). I had quite a big tear and there was very little space in the joint so they got the power tools in there to make some. Only keyhole surgery but they say it’s quite intrusive. That said, it had to be done, I couldn’t run without pain deep in my right hip. 

    Recovery took some, a couple of weeks on crutches and several months before running again. I’d got so used to compensating for the injury that I’d almost developed a limp. My first attempts at running were awful and I could tell I was going to injure something else. NHS physios only seemed to be there to get people walking again after surgery so you can expect any sports-specific advice, so I paid to have lots of sessions with a physio i know who now specialises in running form and technique to get all the issues ironed out. Happy to say it’s worked very well and I only occasionally feel a bit of discomfort in the hip. Usually if I’ve had to squat in a certain position for a bit of time, or in certain yoga moves. Planning a return to marathon distance next year for the first time since 2015.
  • ^^ that should read that you can’t expect much sports specific rehab or advice from the NHS physios, it’s not their job to get you running again 
  • > @TT said:
    > Hi David, I was diagnosed with a labral tear, and pincer and cam impingement in 2017. Your physio is right, according to various sources about half the population have a labral tear and many do not know it. However if it has been diagnosed it means that you do know something is wrong. 
    >
    > I had surgery, it was hideous, for medical reasons I will not go into on a forum! However, after six months I started the C25K and after 12 months ran a HM. Have a few related issues, but I have a good physio and it has not torn again.
    >
    > On the NHS it can take a long time to get surgery, and you might need to invest in private physio to be back running.  

    Thank you for your reply, really appreciate it. I’m just really confused
    Because it has taken so long (covid) to see my surgeon face to face. He forgets what we have discussed. From a phone call a few month ago, he told me the next step would be to inject me in a muscle ( but we would have to find which muscle first. When I turned up on Tuesday I got a shock when he said “ you’ve got a lump on your hip bone, we need to shave it down and repair the tear(which I knew). I said to him that it doesn’t hurt all the time and he said why are we even discussing surgery then.
    Now and again he tells me to stop running it will get worse, then he tells me I I can run on it then run on it 😟
    The pain I get is mostly a pinch feeling 2” down from belly button an 3” to the right on the iliac crest bone, once in a blue moon I have pain on the side of my hip
    It’s great to talk to someone who’s went through the same scenario
    Regards DAVID
  • The surgery he offered me was keyhole
  • Hi jackharris87. That’s great news that you are feeling able to run again. I only get pain whilst upping my mileage, but when I’m fully fit my hip causes me no problems. I’ve learned how to exit a car with two legs instead of one (if my hip clicks I get pain on outside on hip area). I ran a half marathon in 1:24 in October 2019 the last mile I could barely run (but it was fun).
    I take it if the tear prevent you running, that’s when to get the surgery?
    Regards DAVID
  • David, I could also run on it, I ran a marathon on it in March 2015 but I’d get sore towards the end of my long runs in training. So after the marathon I decided I was going to stop running until I could get it sorted. To prevent losing my mind, I got into road cycling instead of running as I could do that with no pain. The surgeon said it was a bit of a mess when I finally had the surgery, I’m guessing because it was left so long. He had to trim down quite a bit of bone and he said the tear was as bad as he’s seen. Basically the bit that was torn had kept being dragged into the joint as it pivots. 

    The MSK consultants are busy people and do lots of surgeries so don’t take it personally, though maybe this particular one hasn’t been great at making notes if he’s giving you mixed messages. From experience, I’d say go through the process and try to get it done, it’ll only get worse. And it won’t be quick, especially with covid causing a huge backlog. 

    I’ve also found that being as flexible as possible has really helped in getting back to running 5+ days a week. My hip was getting sore at first, almost like it was pre surgery. So I got in the habit of doing a lot of strength work for the surrounding muscles and yoga to make sure I’m flexible, I’m now doing 30-40 mile weeks again with no issues. 
  • > @JackHarris87 said:
    > David, I could also run on it, I ran a marathon on it in March 2015 but I’d get sore towards the end of my long runs in training. So after the marathon I decided I was going to stop running until I could get it sorted. To prevent losing my mind, I got into road cycling instead of running as I could do that with no pain. The surgeon said it was a bit of a mess when I finally had the surgery, I’m guessing because it was left so long. He had to trim down quite a bit of bone and he said the tear was as bad as he’s seen. Basically the bit that was torn had kept being dragged into the joint as it pivots. 
    > The MSK consultants are busy people and do lots of surgeries so don’t take it personally, though maybe this particular one hasn’t been great at making notes if he’s giving you mixed messages. From experience, I’d say go through the process and try to get it done, it’ll only get worse. And it won’t be quick, especially with covid causing a huge backlog. 
    > I’ve also found that being as flexible as possible has really helped in getting back to running 5+ days a week. My hip was getting sore at first, almost like it was pre surgery. So I got in the habit of doing a lot of strength work for the surrounding muscles and yoga to make sure I’m flexible, I’m now doing 30-40 mile weeks again with no issues.
     
    It’s so good to speak to someone who has been through this too. Thank you for your time. I was nervous about getting it done with covid in the hospitals. He asked me how the pain was for the first 4 hours after my cortisone injection (back in January) and I couldn’t remember. I’ll probably go ahead with this next injection and note down everything and take it from there. Thanks again
    DAVID
  • TTTT ✭✭✭
    Hi David, it sounds as if you are already compensating for the issues. I could run one day, then not the next, then some times not for a week.

    I ended up with eight weeks on crutches! I paid, if I had waited for the NHS I was looking at a two year wait (confirmed by consultant, GP and various medic friends).

    My agreement with the hospital was they would get me back running, however long it took, unless the consultant had said do not run after surgery. He said I would be able to run, eventually, and I had six months of physio every 7-10 days. That alone was worth paying for. 

    It was, for me, a very long, and hideous, time but it was so worth it. 
  • Hi TT
    That is exactly what I do, I run one day, then not the next, then I get injured, then I go back to 1 day on 1 day off. Same cycle all the time. I’m currently injured after rolling my ankle on the same side as my bad hip. Before that I was off with calf issues on the same side.
  • I’d say you need it fixing. I had these issues when I tried to return to running, picking up niggles in other places. My right hip was dropping and left leg doing more of the work, everything gets imbalanced then you injure something else. I still do sessions with the physio guy I know now and then to keep on top of everything.  If you can’t train regularly then you might as well try to get to the bottom of the route cause and fix it 
  • The day before I had my mri arthrogram I had raced a half marathon. After I’d had this procedure the person taking mri said to me “ have you ran on that lately” I just said yes. I’m wondering if running this race the day before might have made the mri look worse than it actually is.
    Sorry I do overthink these things
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